Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah her name is Deborah Shambora, I’m speaking to her by way of telephone, at her home in Gilbert, Arizona a city outside of Phoenix. What happened to Debra should not have happen to anyone, a horse went mischugah and started trampling her.  No logical explanation and literally crushed her major organs and just her body was a mess and she ended up dying, but it wasn’t her time and He sent her back and eventually her body healed up but they never even found out she had a problem that her cornea was completely crushed and ruptured and so she had to have stitches.  I mean I couldn’t believe that what was it what did you tell me sixty-five stitches or something.

Deborah:  Oh, about sixty-five stitches it was a cornea transplant.

Sid:  Ah and you only did it on one eye and eventually it healed up and you put a contact lens on it and so you could see a little bit but then you went to Africa and a man with a healing ministry prayed for you to be physically healed.  You were not physically healed but something happened in the Spirit and all of a sudden it’s as if you had spiritual vision, you could see what was going on in the invisible world.  And on yesterday’s broadcast you could see the evil and you could see the good, when you press in and ask God to show you like for instance if you’re praying for someone’s health, sometimes you can, not sometimes I guess every time you can see if you’re pressing in what is going on in the person’s life.  Do you always tell the people what’s going on?

Deborah:  No, sometimes; I tell if the Lord says to tell, let’s say someone ask me to come and pray for their back and when I go and when I start praying for their back because they are having back pain I see their heart instead of their back and their heart has a big tear in it, that’s what it looks like to me.  So I will then say to them, well the Lord knows about your back, but He wants to deal with your heart first and that there’s a wounding in your heart that’s causing you to not be able be at peace. God wants this for you so we need to take care of your heart issue first and then God will take care your healing.  And usually they just start to cry and they start talking about what it was that what it was that was wounded in their heart and we deal with that issue.  And then if after that then I see that the Lord wants to heal and then I’ll start praying for the physical healing to go with that.

Sid:    You know you told me something that is so amazing to me Debra, that since you see in the spirit realm you almost are like an actor on a stage you see the angels, you know what they’re up to by the way they are dressed etcetera, and then you just speak out loud what you see going on in the spirit.

Deborah:  Right.

Sid:  Can you give me an example?

Deborah:  It’s not well, it’s not me at all I can just again see someone’s heart and I also say “Lord is this something You want me to share with that person or is it something You want me to keep quiet?”  I’m just a servant of the Lord I don’t think what I have is anything so spectacular; I think everyone, I think God wants everyone to be able to see in the spirit realm.  We’re citizens of heaven, we eternal citizens from the moment that we’re saved. So why wouldn’t we want to, why wouldn’t we be able to see, hear, sense, feel in the realm that’s our natural realm, which is the spirit realm?

Sid:  But what I meant is sometimes you see what the angels are about ready to do and you actually release them through your words.

Deborah:  Hmm, hum they sometimes come with big jars, they look like pitchers and they are filled with an anointing. So I know that could be healing anointing, but it also could be anointing for service or for a spiritual gift.  It could be an anointing for promotion in the spirit realm and so I will partner with that angel in order to release that particular anointing on the person that it’s supposed to be released with.

Sid:  You know in scripture it talks about the angels move on our words, have you seen that happen?

Deborah:  Angels will only obey the Lord but they will come down and if you are the authority in that meeting then you have the authority to release them to do what they’ve come to do.  You can’t, I can’t just call an angel and say come and bring this, that’s for the Lord to do, God does that He sends His angels.  But when they come I can partner with them to do what they’re supposed to do. They need me to partner with them.  God doesn’t do things on this earth unless people partner with Him, that’s our freewill; He’s given that to us.  So the angels are not going to come and do anything unless we will partner with them.

Sid:  So are you telling me that if you really press in you have insight into anyone you meet?

Deborah:  Generally yes although I don’t press into everyone so I can’t say everyone.

Sid:  And what do you mean by press in by the way?

Deborah:  What I mean is I just I’m a person who has a body, I have a mind, I have emotions, I have all of these things, but I also am a spirit and about fifteen years ago the Lord said, “You need to change the way you think and you need to think as if you are a spirit that just happens to have a body and a mind and emotions for this period of time. Instead of thinking I am a body and emotions and mind everything goes through that first.  So it’s a transition into being that in the spirit realm more than you are in the natural.  Obviously these are things that are very hard to describe with words.

Sid:  No, you’re doing a pretty good job; tell me about the time you went to West Africa last year and you were interceding and you noticed a gentleman came and sat next to you.  Tell me about that.

Deborah:  I was assigned by the Lord and by the people that I was with to do intercession for that particular service and it was our team was sitting in the front row or this very large African church.  There were about 4,000 people I think there, it was the largest church in that country and no one else was sitting with us, and all of a sudden I noticed that there was an African gentleman sitting to my  right and when I looked at him he looked at me and he spoke to me in perfect English, not perfect English, English that I would  understand, American English, United States English which was very unusual and he said to me, “You can go anywhere in the heavenliest that you want to go” and I was so involved in intercession I just said, “Okay thanks.”  And I kept praying throughout the rest of the service and didn’t really process what he was saying.  At the end of the service I looked at him and he said it again, the same way “You can go anywhere in the Heavenlies that you choose to go, you have open access.”  All of a sudden I realized that this was it felt like it was an angel manifesting as a man, it looked like a man but it was an angel.  So I grabbed a hold of my daughter and I said, “Take a picture of me with this man.”  And he was gone after that, I mean she took the picture and then all of a sudden he was gone I was going to ask somebody “Who is this?”  And nobody seems to know who that particular person was.

Sid:  Well, more important than that, assuming that was an angel and that was a true word, were you able to go to Heaven?

Deborah:  Yes. (Laughing)

Sid:  How long did you have to wait until it happened?

Deborah:  Actually I had been in places in the Heavenlies before that but this total access pass if you will, and I don’t mean to name if something that’s silly, but this total access pass meant that anytime I wanted to go into the Heavenlies rather than when God moves me there.  I had been in the Heavenlies before but it was when God took me there in deep intense intercession.  Now I can go into that intercession and prayer and walk into the Heavenlies with His blessing anytime I choose to. I don’t know it that makes sense.

Sid:  It sounds wonderful to me but let me ask you this “What do you accomplish when you go into the Heavenlies, what’s going on?  Why is it beneficial?

Deborah:  If I go into the throne room I can sit at the feet of the Father and just worship and just be in His presence and love Him and if I go elsewhere I can actually pray in the Heavenlies for what God wants to happen on the earth.  And sometimes I can look down and see the earth and see certain things that He’s highlighting, then I make that my prayer focus.  For me the whole reason to go into the Heavenlies is to do what Jesus is doing there now and has been doing for the last 2000 years and that is to intercede.

Sid:  You pretty much have spent your life being hidden, but God has been telling you lately that it’s time for you to go to the next point. Just out of curiosity you have a house congregation in your house, are you the only one that goes to the Heavenlies and has these visions or do others in your house group?

Deborah:  Others can see in the spirit not as openly, some people can sense in the spirit or they sense the angel is there by senses or maybe hot or something hot on the side of their face or a tingling.  Some people can see certain things, everyone is at a different…

Sid:  But you know what the main thing is that everyone in your group is hungry for greater intimacy with God.

Deborah:  Yeah.

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