Sid Roth

JOHN: So the next day, it was a Sunday, I was in my church. I felt led to really, really minister deliverance at the end of my message and as I did this, everyone in the church started manifesting even the elders and leaders that were going to assist the other people. They started dropping on the floor. It was unbelievable. I never seen anything like that in my life.

SID: Are you special or can every believer walk in that kind of authority?

JOHN: Well, Jesus said in scripture that one of the signs of them that believe, one of the first things he said was, cast out devils. They shall cast out devils. Any believer can cast out devils. You don’t have to be a deliverance minister, a prophet, apostle. If you’re a believer, you can cast out devils. That’s one of the signs. It shows you are believer in the messiah.

SID: Just between the two of us, most Christians seem to be afraid of the devil. It should be the other way around.

JOHN: Absolutely. Absolutely. He’s a defeated foe. Luke 10 and 19 says, behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. One version says he gives you authority to destroy Satan’s power, so we have to walk in that authority and believe it. Speak it. Declare it. Decree it. The devil is under our feet. He’s a defeated foe. We give them too much power, too much access in our lives, but he is defeated already by the wonderful work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

SID: And you know this is so important for you to understand this whole area of deliverance. It’s not an emphasis, but it’s part of the package because shortly millions of young people are going to come to the Lord. We’re going to have the greatest move of God’s plan. And when they come to the Lord…I was messed up big time when I came to the Lord, but they’re even messed up more, if that’s possible. They’re into more stuff than I even imagined it was possible to be into and they’re going to need to be set free and they’re not going to have to go to a deliverance specialist. That’s part of the package.

SID: So that same presence of God on you, that drives the devil nuts. It’s on what you teach. It’s on your books. You are going to have to understand that you can’t go running to some pastor somewhere and knock on his door at midnight. “I need help”. You’re the one that God….. the Jesus in you is as strong is the Jesus in me and the Jesus in John. Now one of the things you’ve said that I thought was pretty interesting, you said when we identify the strongest demon…into something you describe it like a heavy ball and chain. What happens? That was fascinating.

JOHN: Mark 3 and 27 talks about binding the strong man and then being able to plunder his goods in his house. So I believe that with effective deliverance we need to go for the strong man. Jesus went in for Legion and he got rid of all those demons and so a lot of times we waste a lot of time going for minorly demons and I mean say someone has a thousand demons in them, it’s going to take more than a lifetime, a couple of lifetimes to get them totally delivered. But if we can get that head demon, that chief demon, we can get him out. It’s just like a ball and chain analogy. If I take a ball and chain, I throw it off a bridge and anything that’s attached to it that’s lighter than it, it’s going to go over. So when we get this big, chief demon, this heavy demon to get out of a person, all the other demons that are connected to them are going to go too. And then that way you have a effective, full deliverance.

SID: What he has been taught step by step by God. He’s put in his teaching and in his books and you told me you had such resistance when you did this book. You know why he had such resistance? Because the devil knew that you were going to read this and listen to this teaching and you were going to be just like Jesus in front of someone with a demon. John will pray for the spirit of fear, sickness and failure to leave when we return. Be right back.

SID: I’m here with Donna Rigney, and Donna has been taken many times to heaven and to hell. Just a little bit more. The room in hell with instruments of torture. What was that like?

DONNA: That was really graphic and gruesome to see. Whenever the Lord brought me to hell, it was a just an awful sight to see. And he told me, he said, “It’s necessary,” he said, “I know you don’t want to come here, but it’s necessary for you to see this because I want my people to know all about hell, that it is a reality, that there is such a place as hell. I want you to understand the tactics of the enemy to hurt my people so that you can tell my children. So my children will be warned.”

DONNA: And so one of the days he brought me to this place and it was a room full of instruments of torture. There were braces to put around people’s heads and tighten them up. There were spikes to drive down people’s spines. There are all kinds of saws and pickaxes, different things like that, hanging all over the room. And then I saw a demon come in. Demons, more than one, come in, grab some of these things and rush out of the room. And so then in an instant, like you snapped your finger, I was from that room down to a city street. I was overlooking a city street in the United States. And I saw these demons riding on people’s shoulders. I saw them driving spikes down people’s backs and people, the look on their face, they were in so much pain. And the Lord said to me—

SID: Well, what good is a pain pill if it could be caused by a demon? The pain pill doesn’t get rid of the deal.

DONNA: No, no, no. And the Lord said to me, “What you’re seeing, you’re seeing with your spiritual eyes, you cannot see this with your natural eyes.” He said, “but I’m showing you this with your spiritual eyes. This is true.” And then I saw some people that had braces around their heads, and the demons were tightening them and tightening them, and the people’s faces were grimacing with pain. They were having terrible headaches. And it was… And the demons were laughing. This was just the greatest thrill, the more pain they were causing. Then I saw chains coming down off of people, and some had balls hanging on the chain, they were walking along, ball and chain.

DONNA: And then I saw little children and the little children were walking beside their parents. Most of the children did not have any chains on them, they were free. But some of the children, the chains were coming down off the parents and getting on the children’s shoulder. A couple of children had smaller chains and small ball and they were walking along. And what the Lord told me was that what was happening was that the parents were word cursing their children. The parents saying, “You are a… Everybody in our family has cancer. You are going to have cancer too.” Or, “You never listen, you never behave, you’re never going to become anything.” These were then coming off the parents and getting on the children and the children are getting in chains. And the Lord told me, he said, “What’s causing my children to get into bondage is sin and their words.” Sin is a trap of the enemy and their words are the device the enemy uses to attack my children.

SID: Tracy, you see things about people, but you also see things about the United States, about the world. For instance, you saw things about the greater glory. What have you seen?

TRACY: In the greater glory of the vision that God gave me, the revelation was, 2019 has began to be the year of recompense and the glory’s already begun to manifest and even the next three years, the landscape of the church is going to shift and change. And God’s going to weed out, he’s going to take the people out of the people, church out of the church, and he’s going to begin to move in the heart of America.

TRACY: He’s going to bring the church back to proper alignment. He’s going to bring the church back to holding it’s true repentance where no man is going to get the glory. Man’s not going to be the center of attention. But God almighty is going to get the glory.

SID: So this greater glory, if I’m understanding it right, the average person will operate in the gifts of the Spirit … well as Jesus said, “You’ll do the same works I have done and even greater.” Will that be going on in this—

TRACY: We call it a miracle, but he called it the work of the Father. It became normal in the ministry of Jesus and in the greater glory, it’s going to become a normal. The supernatural would become normal activities of your life. So the upcoming next three years, the church is going to have a paradigm shift as never before. God’s going to call us to have a spiritual awakening, and it begun this year according to the time of prophecy, the time of prevention, and even in the landscape of those in high places even in the White House. God’s coming to our house and then he’s going to come to the White House.

SID: Tracy, what have you seen for It’s Supernatural television and for myself in this ministry?

TRACY: Well the Lord showed me, he took me into a trance, and you have walked before me, I saw you come up before me, and the Lord said, “He is a fore runner of the disposition of the greater glory. His ministry and the staff and the team and all that join hands together all around the world, when you join hands, the hands for this ministry, God has ordained this ministry at a pivot time that we need a launching pad to introduce a greater glory where God can get all the honor, where he can move. There’s protocol, but at the same time God can move.

SID: I am so, the word I used is the only word I can say in, “awe.” So if my job is to show a foretaste of what is coming, I want to show you a foretaste right now.

SID: Would you prophesy over a few people in our studio audience and if God directs even the TV audience?

TRACY: Absolutely.

TRACY: Just lift your hands and let’s just receive his glory. I feel the unusual anointing. I feel the miracle working God. I see the angel of God move in right now. Just lift your hands. You’re letting God knew I surrender. I’m going to start minister to about three or four of you. But right now, even though you this at your home, I’m looking through the lens of the camera, Diane, you’re getting a miracle, your lower back area, you own a walker, you’re coming off that walker darling. Dr. Johnson is going to take you off of that. Let us know what God has done in this manifestation. This miracle. Let somebody know and say Roth ministry, that a miracle happened, your lower L5 area, you’re getting a miracle. You were in an accident. There was two vehicles that was involved and one them it’s a black and one of them is like a burgundy type.

TRACY: And God said the miracle’s happening right now and you that’s in your home right now, I release the anointing of God, that tangible evidence of the miraculous of God in the name of Jesus.

TRACY: The angel of God is moving right here in this audience right now. I feel his tangible presence. If I would, if I get someone to back, this couple right here, you’re in the last row. Yes, you just looked at both of you all just stand right now. There’s an angel standing over both of you. I don’t know you, do I?

Sierra: No.

TRACY: I don’t know either one of you. We’ve never talked.

Sierra: No.

SID: Kevin, what can we do to fulfill our destiny?

KEVIN: You do what I do every morning.You wake up, you say yes, and when you go to sleep at night,you say yes.And you agree with God and you just don’t look at yourcircumstances.Satan tries to build things in people’s minds and in their lifeto show them that they’re limited and Jesus has alreadyannounced that he’s defeated the enemies.He’s made a show of them openly.He’s actually come to destroy the works of the Devil and so Iengage God from the other realm.He gave me the Holy spirit.The Holy Spirit’s from heaven.And he’s inside of us and he doesn’t know failure.The Holy spirit is a conquerer.He’s an enforcer of the blessing and we need to walk in the favorand the blessing of God.That’s what I do everyday.What I just said, I rehearse that all the time.Praise God.

SID: Would you speak out of your spirit right now?Whatever God has.

KEVIN: You just have to understand something.That the end of this age where everything is coming to a placewhere God has to move again on the earth.That’s right now.You have to understand something.In Heaven, there were individuals that you would saywere heroes of the faith, but all those profits,all the apostles, everyone that’s ever lived in the cloudof witnesses, they are cheering you on.They are waiting for you because you were chosen at the end ofthis age to wrap it up.And I’m telling you, it’s time to go into an overthrow mode towhere we have the authority and we start to walk as sons of God.Right now in the name of Jesus, there’s lots of you.You can see that the enemy has tried to pin you in,but it’s time to get on fire from the altar.Right now, fire in the name of Jesus.You are set free.I break witchcraft over your life.Now the spirit of the Lord says, “You are ready for promotion.Now you’re ready to listen to what I have to say.Now I’m going to cause you to walk as the prophets of old.You’re going to have fire in your mouth.”The Lord is saying this because there are many people will becalled to prophesy.Prophesy to your world.The Lord says, “Shift your world because I’m in it.”Says the Lord, “I’m in your mouth.I’m in your spirit.Fire coming out of your mouth in the name of Jesus.”That’s what the spirit of Lord is saying right now.  

SID: What is going on in the atmosphere right now?

KEVIN: There is a whirlwind of fire because it’stime, Sid.It’s no longer a spectatorship.The Lord said that Israel was in a spectator mode.He says they saw God’s act, but it says that Mosesknew God’s ways.I encountered God’s ways and I know what he likesand he likes fire.Everything is on fire in heaven.He likes fire.He likes to grill things.He’s always cooking.He likes sacrifice.He likes to smell burning flesh.So as soon as my flesh starts frying,he gets really happy because he knows that I’m going to startwalking in it.Do you understand that this world doesn’t know what aChristian is yet?They’re about to because we’re going to be….  

SID: Are you talking to everyone that is listeningright now?

KEVIN: Every single person.I saw in heaven that no one is left out.God has already provided this because theyhad a meeting before..

SID: But there is a free will andthey can leave themselves out.

KEVIN: That’s why I was sent back.I was inserted back in this generation from their future tospeak to them from the fire to get them encouraged into walkingout their books completely.Because there are so many in heaven right now that arecheering us on.They have done their job now they’re waitingfor us to finish ours.They are cheering us on from fire.There’s this fire in the alter room right now.I can see it because there’s sapphire floors and there wasfire everywhere.And I got a dose of that.And when I came back Jesus said, “Don’t hold back.Give it to everyone.Tell everyone that the limits are off,that they can see their books fulfilled.”Praise God.Hallelujah.  

SID: I’m hearing you say that everyone watching us in thestudio audience is pre programmed for victory.

KEVIN: Yeah.

SID: Pre programmed to be the head and not the tail. Pre programmed to have a life of joy and peace.All you need to do has been done for you.You need to receive Jesus.You need to tell him you’re sorry for all the bad things you’ve done.Believe his blood has covered them and remove them,and then ask him to live inside of you and be your Lord.You’re a winner.

SID: I’ve got two parts of me. One part, is interested in the visible world. The other part is God’s blessed me, I’ve a very logical brain. So I want from a logical viewpoint, what’s the first thing we have to do to get a divine restraining order?

FRANCIS: The first thing we have to do, Sid, to get a divine restraining order from the righteous judge, is to repent. Absolutely, to repent.
SID: I don’t even hear that word anymore.

FRANCIS: Well listen, there are people now are teaching, who are saying that under grace, we don’t have to repent. I think, that’s really the morning strategy, to rob our authority from coming before the court of heaven. Because, Sid, the word repentance, simply means to be in right standing. It literally means to turn back, and come into alignment with the governing authority.

How can we come before God, asking him to restrain the devil when we are not restrained?

FRANCIS: That’s illegal, right? The devil can argue, against us in the court of heaven and say, “Lord, why would they restrain me? Why would they come in to restrain me, when they won’t listen to you?”

So repentance, allows us to come before God and say, “God, as I come to ask for something I really need for you to do for me, Lord, I realize, that there are areas where I have broken your word, where I have not walked like you, and thank God the blood of Jesus was shed for just things like that.” You want to be in a right place when you’re asking, there is nothing in the court, where the enemy can contest, what you are trying to request from the court.

SID: Tell me about the woman in your church, that needed a divine restraining order.

FRANCIS: Oh, my church is very multiracial. This is one of my Caucasian, members. She came to my office, on a Sunday morning, Sid, the worship was going, I could hear in the background, but she wanted to see me. Her eyes were bloodshot, and I realized, I said, “Oh, well what happened to you?” She said, “I’ve been crying all night.” She said to me, “I can’t live like this.” And then just, tears began to come out.

And then she said, “Well, I used to have a good marriage until one day I found my husband was cheating, in our matrimonial bed, with a woman half of his age. Devastated me. He ran out with this woman.” She says, “But, I was getting healed from it, but the problem is, we’ve got two children together,” and she says, “Dr. Myles, every time he comes to pick the children so he can spend time with them, he comes with the woman, that broke my marriage. It’s like flaunting it in my face. And then, sometimes he’s very verbally abusive to me, in front of the girl, that destroyed my marriage.”

And she cries, “I’m a child of God. I can’t be treated like this, I’m not trash. God help me.” I could see her, what the point of breaking down, and in that moment the Holy spirit said to her, “Ask her, tell her to ask her, does she want a restraining order.”

So I said to her, I say, “Sister, do you want a restraining order?” She thought, I’m talking about going to natural courts. She reacts, she says, “No, I would like to get one, but I don’t have the money, to take longer to go through, I don’t have an attorney.” I said, “I’m not talking about natural restraining orders. He says, “As you are talking to me, your heavenly father has heard your cry, and is asking me, “Do you want me, to bring you before him, to get the divine restraining order against this man’s behavior?”

She said, “You mean God issues restraining orders?” I said, “Of course. He’s the righteous judge. He’s the first judge.” She said, “Let’s do it.” So I said, “What do you want?” She said, “I want him to stop insulting me.” She said, “I want him to stop coming to collect the children with this woman who broke our marriage. And thirdly, the kids have been begging, to go and see my grandparents, who live in another state. Every time I beg him, to take my children there, he’s promised me, he’ll go to the Phoenix police department, and, file, kidnapping charges. So, the kids can’t even go and see their grandparents. I need those three things.”

So we went before the court of heaven, and we asked for a restraining order against this man, in those areas. Sid, it’s less than 48 hours. The man calls her, and is crying on the phone. He says, “I do not know why I’ve treated you so miserably. You don’t deserve it… You didn’t break the covenant, I did.
I did.

SID: Now, some of you, this is a new area, others understand, but I’m telling you, this is lifesaving, essential end time information. Becky Dvorak define the demon of death.

BECKY: The spirit of death. It’s a demon and it’s a deadly demon and it’s out to steal, to kill, and to destroy us in every way possible.

SID: Give me some examples to identify this.

BECKY: A spirit of death would come after someone in the area of incurable rare diseases or someone has reoccurring sickness and disease in their bodies that they just can’t seem to get free of. They have thoughts of suicide or they have murderous terroristic thoughts against other people including abortion, and sometimes people are so bound by a spirit of fear. That’s what a spirit of death does to people and you know that it’s attacking you.

SID: How does this get into people?

BECKY: The spirit of death, it’s real sly, it’s real cunning and it’s looking for a weakness. It’s looking for an entrance into your life, and so if you’re weak in faith in a certain area, it’ll come after you in that manner. Negative emotions are definite open doors to the spirit of death to come in.

SID: What’s the first thing, when we recognize there’s something going on and it isn’t just normal. What do we do?

BECKY: Well, we need to take our authority over it and renounce it. Cut it off from us in the name of Jesus.

SID: How do you do that?

BECKY: Well, an example is to lay your hand on your body and say, “In the name of Jesus, I renounce the spirit of death. I command it out of my body and I release the spirit of life into it in the name of Jesus.”

SID: I have many people that teach based on studying the Bible, Becky teaches based on firsthand experience, but unfortunately she didn’t have anyone teaching her these things. You were on the mission field and you get hit with the worst kind of typhoid that it’s possible. Tell me about that. And you didn’t do nothing. You didn’t know even how to fight it.

BECKY: You’re right. I didn’t know how to fight it. And with typhoid, it’s something that reoccurs in your body and it’s high fevers and it’s very painful and it just totally drains you. It wears you out. And this time it was level four, which was the worst. And I didn’t know what I know today. I didn’t know to come against it. I didn’t know those things. And I remember just laying in my bed in our bedroom and I just reached a point where I just didn’t want to fight anymore. And I just said, “God, take me home.”

God, take me home.

BECKY: And as soon as I said those words, “Take me home, God.” I heard the Lord speak to me in the form of a rebuke. And He said, “Get up.”

Get up.

BECKY: “Get out of bed and get dressed.”

Get out of bed and get dressed.

BECKY: And you know what? It’s what I needed to hear, Sid. And I heard the Lord say again, but not in the form of a rebuke, but in the form of an encouragement, like you can do it. And He said, “Get up, get out of bed and get dressed.”

Get up, get out of bed and get dressed.

BECKY: And it was very ungraceful, very un-lady like I’m telling you, but I just slid out of the bed onto a lump on the floor and I crawled. It took everything within me, but I crawled to that dresser and I got myself dressed. It took a long time, but I got myself dressed and then I crawled to the door and I had to try and reach and open up that door, but I got it open. And then I had to pull myself up in the doorway. But I got myself up and I was leaning against this wall, this hallway, and with every step I’m telling you, I felt strength return to my body. And from that moment on, I never ever had another bout with typhoid. I never had one symptom of it in my body.

SID: You know, Becky, never give up.

BECKY: Amen.

SID: Never give up.

BECKY: Never.

SID: Never give up.

BECKY: Amen.

ROBIN: Well, that’s the essence of the understanding of this episode with these wagons, Sid, was the Lord said I would understand the meaning of the wagons if I would study the story of Joseph’s restoration with Jacob.

For 22 years, Jacob believed that Joseph was dead, and he wasn’t dead. He suffered 22 years unnecessarily. Now, when there was that restoration between Joseph and his brothers, he was now head of Egypt. Basically, he sent back wagons to his father to prove to him he was still alive. And the Bible says there in Genesis 45; it says, “when Jacob heard that Joseph was alive, his heart failed him. But when he believed the words of Joseph and saw the wagon sent to return him to Egypt,” it says, “Jacob’s heart revived.” First-time the word revival mentioned in the whole scripture. And the very next verse, it says, Israel said, “this is more than I could ever have imagined. I will now go and see my son.” In a single moment in time he went from 22 years of despair, by revelation, into the transformation from Jacob to Israel.

SID: Comment on the power of word curses against a person and a believer, especially having a critical spirit.

ROBIN: Exactly, well, you know, as I was writing the book and trying to articulate this thing about criticism, I remembered a story of how they control elephants. When an elephant is a baby, they get a stake, they get a chain strong enough to hold that baby elephant, and as the elephant grows, it is built into his mind that no matter how big he gets that little chain and that little stake he can never get free from. And that’s what happens when people curse you with a bad description or description that that makes you believe you’re someone less than you really are. And that’s the power of criticism. It becomes a stronghold that you need to reject and renounce and believe the things God has to say about you in the words.

SID: Let me go back to that analogy. As that elephant grew–

ROBIN: Yeah.

SID: He had the ability to do that with just like, a feather, that stake.

ROBIN: Exactly.

SID: I mean as he got that big, but those word curses, keep us victims.

ROBIN: They trap us into being a person that we never were.

SID: It’s a deception.

ROBIN: It’s an absolute deception.

SID: And what about deliverance?

ROBIN: Well, the Bible talks about God being the God of hope, and it says may the God of hope give you joy and peace through the power of believing the truth, Sid. And that’s what we need to do. We need to realize that when we’re trapped, we’re not believing the truth. I had the Lord telling me this early one morning Sid, it’s so amazing, the Lord said to me, “Robin, each one of my children is my own personal favorite.” And I thought about that then he said, “but very few believe it.” When you begin to believe that you’re God’s favorite person, many of those lies begin to break off. Many of them break off because God identifies each one of us as a beloved child.

SID: But I believe you have the authority.

ROBIN: Yes.

SID: To break word curses–

ROBIN: Yes Sir!

SID: Off of those that are watching this show right now.

ROBIN: That’s what we’re going to do.

SID: Would you pray that prayer?

ROBIN: Yes Sir. Father, in the name of Jesus, as I see this viewing audience, those who have been cursed, described inaccurately. I ask by the power of the spirit of God, all Lord, and by the grace and the mercy that we find in Christ Jesus. We break those word curses now and we release a manifestation of the presence and the glory and the peace of God. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: And Amen!

ROBIN: It is happening now.

SID: That was powerful. Now let me ask you something, God showed you five wagons and they all had to do with the theme, The Harbinger of Hope.

ROBIN: Yes.

SID: What do you mean by Harbinger of Hope?

ROBIN: Well to me, my encounter was a Harbinger of Hope. And a harbinger, it’s a forerunner. It’s something that comes before something that’s just behind it. For instance, I’m actually a harbinger. My name Robin, robins always appear before the springtime, and I can promise you this, when people believe the gospel. I preach, when this Robin comes, when this harbinger comes and declares to them the goodness of God, when they believe that their springtime comes too. And so, my Harbinger of Hope was the encounter I had because God has five amazing blessings, which are all incorporated in the gospel of Christ Jesus, that are to be released to the world in an unprecedented outpouring and harvest.

SID: Well, God showed Robin that there are many people that are hopeless. Not only will Robin pray for people who feel hopeless to be injected with supernatural faith, but also what he sees on the horizon far nation. You’re not going to want to miss this, be right back.

BOB: Welcome to Something More. I’m Bob Duvall, and joining me today is Stephanie Schureman. Stephanie is the founder of “Dwelling Place Ministries.” She’s an author. She’s a speaker. And she’s a homeschooling mom of six.

STEPHANIE: Uh-huh.

BOB: And, Stephanie, I’m excited. Because Stephanie is joining us today to tell us about hearing from Jesus in our everyday life. Now, I think everybody knows the picture of, you know, like the Ten Commandments, and Moses going up on the mountain and hearing God’s voice. And that’s how we hear God’s voice. Right?

STEPHANIE: Yes.

BOB: But that’s not always how it is. And that was just Moses. Can everybody hear from Jesus?

STEPHANIE: Absolutely. You’re never too young or too old to hear from Jesus. He wants to speak to you. It doesn’t matter who you are, or where you are, or what you’ve done. It doesn’t matter if you’re the worst person on the planet or the best. The Lord wants to speak to you, and He is working all the time to get your attention and speak to you. We just have to catch the subtle hints.

BOB: Now, you’re a busy person. I can tell just from the things I described already. But one of the things that you do, is you lead something called Fire Camp.

STEPHANIE: Uh-huh.

BOB: And you have young people there. Of course, old people come, too. But it’s geared toward young people.

STEPHANIE: Uh-huh.

BOB: And this is one of the things you teach the young people. Right?

STEPHANIE: Yes.

BOB: How to hear God.

STEPHANIE: Yes. One of the most important things that we do in Fire Camp is that we want to have every child have an encounter with Jesus before the camp is over. And we started out with kids about ages 8 to 15. And, but as the time has gone on, adults have gotten jealous and said, “Please do an adult.”

BOB: [Laughs]

STEPHANIE: So we do adult Fire Camps and missionary Fire Camps. And then, we’ve sent it now all over the world. It’s a fun time of just learning to know and experience what the presence of the Lord feels like. That’s our main goal. But we don’t, there’s no entertainment involved in this. We just simply want to experience the presence of the Lord and enjoy Him, and know what it’s like when He speaks to us when the angels are. What does it feel like when the angels are around us? What does it feel like when we,  how do we pray for somebody, and asking the Lord how He would pray, and what do we do? So we’re always asking Jesus what’s on His mind.

BOB: Now, what about somebody who might say, “Well, why does Jesus want to speak to me?” In fact, tell me about Gertrude.

STEPHANIE: Yes. Well, I was teaching an adult Sunday School class many years ago. And I had this dear precious Gertrude who I picked up for church every day, every Sunday. And she was in her 80’s, I believe. And she had this very small house that she lived in. It was very small. 10 or 12 by 12 feet. That’s all, the only space she had. And all day long Gertrude sat in this space and watched Christian TV and just loved on Jesus. But one day she comes into Sunday School, and she says, “Stephanie?” She says, “Why on earth would God want to speak to me? I don’t talk to anybody else. I don’t have any way of evangelizing.

BOB: Yeah. She has no influence on anybody.

STEPHANIE: She felt like she had nobody to talk to, except to love her own family when they would come. And I said, “Oh Gertrude.” I said, “You are precious in God’s sight.” And I said, “Think about it. You have the best job on the planet. You get to just worship Jesus.” And I said, “Yes. He wants to talk to you. You’re just as, you’re even maybe more important than talking to the president at times. [laughs] But He wants to speak to you the same as He wants to speak to anybody else on the earth, no matter what kind of power or influence they have.” And she, Gertrude got a hold of that concept.

BOB: Uh-huh.

STEPHANIE: – and began to have the most precious experiences, not only talking to Jesus, but Him talking back to her. And she was realizing that “He does want to talk to me.” And she would just come with tears and amazing experiences. I know she was having angelic experiences, even every day. And even through the night, she was having amazing heaven dreams.

BOB: Yeah. And so, if somebody is feeling like Gertrude,

STEPHANIE: Uh-huh.

BOB: -like, you know, I have no influence. You know. But even Gertrude,

STEPHANIE: Uh-hum.

BOB: Even if you’re just in a little room by yourself all day long, you can influence the world by hearing from Jesus.

STEPHANIE: That’s right.

BOB: In prayer, and worship, and His presence.

STEPHANIE: Absolutely.

BOB: Now, how about for you? How did you learn to begin to hear from Jesus in your everyday life?

STEPHANIE: I think one of the funniest experiences I had with it, I always felt like I could hear from the Lord, and hear His voice, and understand Him. But I realized that the Lord was repeating things through my day a lot of times. And one of the funniest experiences was – I was sitting at a stop sign one day. And Max Lucado had just written a book called “3:16, The Numbers of Hope.” And so this billboard had this book advertised. And the numbers 3:16 were huge on this board. And I’m sitting there staring at these numbers. And I thought, “Wait a minute. That’s my birthday.” [laughs]

BOB: [Laughs]

STEPHANIE: And then I’m thinking, “I wake up at 3:16 almost every single night, and I know the Lord wants to pray. You know, He wants me to pray.”

BOB: [Laughs]

STEPHANIE: And so I pray at 3:16. And I’m like, “He’s really talking to me through those numbers.” And it was just a stunning revelation. I look back on it now, and I just laugh, because everything’s 3:16. I’ll go to a hotel and, you know, my room number’s 3:16, you know. And I still wake up at 3:16. And I’ll look at the clock at 3:16 during the day. So that number’s all over the place. Well, we can, obviously, tie that to Scripture so easily, because of John 3:16. And many times, if you’re seeing numbers repeat, like 1, 1, 1, or 11, 11, those kinds of numbers – You know, people will say, “What does 4, 4, 4 mean?” And so you tie those numbers to Scripture. And the Lord may be speaking to you right out of His Word. He may be giving you the address. You know, 1, 2, 3, 4 can even be a fantastic Scripture. So just go look up those numbers. Deuteronomy 1:11 is the blessing upon everyone, and how the Lord will bless us a thousand times. But, you know, you just go through and look up from Genesis to Revelation all of the Scriptures with that address, 1:11. And find out what Scripture speaks to you. And then began to stand on it. Every time you see 1, 1, 1, you go immediately, “Lord, I know You’re speaking to me about this blessing. And I know You’re blessing me.” And just, when He’s speaking, you can tie into that and say, “I’m calling on that blessing right now.” Because He’s actually initiating that conversation.

BOB: Well, Stephanie, we’re going to take a break right here. And Stephanie had an encounter with Jesus [music] in her basement laundry room. So we’re going to find out about that in just a moment. We’ll be right back.

BOB: Welcome back to “Something More.” I’m Bob Duvall here with Becky Dvorak. And we’ve been talking about healing. Supernatural healing. It’s God’s will for you. He’s not just able to heal. A lot of people believe God can heal, but He’s willing to heal. He wants to heal you. Now Becky, you’ve been teaching on healing for quite a while now. God has shown you so many things that you’ve been sharing with people. And what effect has that had on people? Can you give me an example of someone who’s sat under your teaching and what they experienced in their own life?   

BECKY: Yes, I can give you many examples but one that comes to my mind is a woman named Elizabeth from Harrisonburg, Virginia. And she came and she heard what I teach in “The Healing Creed” and about faith and that healing is for today. And her faith arose and she had all sorts of issues going on in her physical body, but her faith arose to the point where she could believe for her own healing. And so I laid hands on her and released the healing power of the Holy Spirit. And what had happened to her, she was working in a meat factory and she dropped a large package of frozen meat on her feet and it broke the bones in her feet and it was very painful obviously and very difficult to walk through that whole thing. She also had other issues. She had a thyroid condition and she had a heart condition. She had a bad heart and the doctors told her that she definitely going to have a heart attack and so she was living with this fear of a heart attack.      

BOB: Right.

BECKY: She had a lot of issues because of a thyroid problem and then she had these feet that were broken and it was just very painful. And so I laid hands on her and that night when she was asleep, the whole healing took place. She woke up that night and went to go use the rest room or whatever and she realized her feet had been healed. She was going up and down the steps because she was so excited. And she realized she wasn’t even out of breath because she couldn’t even go up and down the steps. And then she went, she was so excited, she went and she realized that the lump from the thyroid was gone. And for whatever reason she went and she weighed herself and she had lost 4 pounds while she was sleeping. It was just very amazing and obviously she was very excited and giving glory to God.  

BOB: Absolutely. But Becky, I feel like people are watching right now and either they’ve been standing for a long time for a healing and they just haven’t seen it or they’ve given up. They just have no hope or you know God either isn’t interested. He’s not going to heal me. Would you look into the camera very briefly and speak to them and pray for healing?

BECKY: Amen. Right now. First of all it is always God’s will to heal you. That’s why Jesus went to the whipping post and was whipped for all sickness, all disease. And no matter what the situation is, there is always hope. It’s never too late to believe for your healing, to trust God. And so right now I just release the healing power of the Holy Spirit into your physical body in Jesus’ name. I renounce the spirit of death and I release that spirit of life. There is someone out there that is dealing with Stage 4 cancer and God is saying to you, “Trust me not be afraid.” Don’t be afraid. Speak life into your body right now. Don’t speak those things as though they already are. Speak those things that are not, as though they already were. In Jesus’ name I am healed. In the name of Jesus we renounce that cancer. We renounce those cancerous tumors and we renounce those cancerous cells. We renounce them in the mighty name of Jesus. And we command those things to diminish, to be gone supernaturally in Jesus’ name. And brand new healthy cells that fight off every form of cancer be recreated in your physical body in Jesus’ name.      

BOB: Amen and amen.

BECKY: Amen.

BOB: Becky, thank you for being my guest on “Something More.” We look forward to having you with us next time. And in the meantime, take this to heart. Get into God’s Word [Music] on healing and find out what He has for you. Healing is your inheritance. It’s your right as a child of God. Thank you. Join us next time.  

SID: I have led many people to know the Messiah. Many, many, many, but I never heard someone coming to know the Messiah the way you did, Venner. Tell me about it.

VENNER: I was in a home and we were getting ready for an event that night and the phone rang.

SID: How old were you?

VENNER: I was 17 and phone duty wasn’t my job, but no one answered the phone so–

SID: Were there are many people in the house?

VENNER: Yes, there were about 10, 15 people in the house and no one answered the phone. It was as though they didn’t hear the phone. And I walked over and I picked up the phone and the gentleman on the other end asked for someone. And I said, “He does not live here,” and I hung the phone up and walked away from the phone. Within a minute that phone rang the second time. No one moved. It’s as though they did not hear the phone ringing. So I walked back to the phone the second time. Immediately when I heard his voice, I said, “I told you, he doesn’t live here,” and I hung the phone up. Well, what I didn’t know is he had a resolve in his heart that whoever answered that phone, he was going to share the love of Jesus with them. And would God have it that that phone rang the third time, no one moved and I walked back to the phone–

SID: Were you getting angry about this person calling back?

VENNER: Yes, I was. I was. I was. I picked up the phone and he started talking. I said, “Look, I told you.” And he said, “Wait, wait.” And he started talking to me about the love of God. He shared the message of the gospel with me and it felt like I had been in a dark room and all of a sudden my world was flooded with light. I prayed and received Christ that moment, right then.

SID: And guess what? That guy on the phone, she wound up marrying him. You told me you had a close relative that was quite a prophet, and all of a sudden you started knowing things, but you were going to a church that didn’t know a whole lot about the supernatural yet, so you had no grid on the this and that’s pretty tough. I guess that’s one reason that God raised you up as a teacher like you are, to help people not to have to not know what’s going on.

VENNER: I do, I agree with that. I had a great, great, great uncle that was a prophetic voice in his time and he was a slave. But they would come and ask him, “What did you hear today? What did you dream today?” And he didn’t have prophetic language. He would just tell them what he dreamed and he would just tell them what he sensed. And what we began to notice is that after I became a believer, I started noticing that because I had a cycle of prayer. I’d pray two days, I’d fast two days, and I’d eat, and then I’d fast two days and I’d eat.

Well, what I discovered is that sometimes when people would walk up to me, I knew what they were going to say before they said it. I didn’t have a language grid so I didn’t know how I knew that so I kind of started, kept that quiet. But as I began to emerge and God began to restore prophetic language back to the body of Christ, I then had language that was a descriptor of what it was I was experiencing. And then I could just continue to hear the voice of God and declare what I heard him say in the spirit. Just like I know that there is someone in our audience today that you are listening and there are some of you in our physical audience here, you came and you’re listening not just because the program is called It’s Supernatural, you have been believing God for a supernatural miracle.

What I felt like, I sense is that you have a diagnosis of cancer in your body and you have done everything that you felt like you could do and you said, “I am going to go to this show. I am going to watch this show because I need a supernatural miracle in my body.” I speak over you right now and I declare healing over you. I command the process of death in your life to stop now. I decree that you’re in the midst of a supernatural turnaround and I decree that even when you go to the doctor the next time, there will be a different report that will come from the doctor and you will find that your… I hear this scripture, “Rise and shine for your light has come.” Your health is turning in this moment and I decree that even the voice of the enemy that would say that you were not healed, that she was just talking, I say tonight, heaven is going to open over the place where you are sleeping and you’re going to have a dream about heaven and that’s how you’re going to know. It’s going to be your confirmation that you’ve been healed, you’ve been delivered. I command you to rise right now, take up your sick bed and walk. Jesus the Messiah has heard your cry and he has healed your body.

SID: Venner, I just could feel… I didn’t see it. I’m not a seer yet. I always put the yet up there by the way. I’m not a seer yet. If I could have seen, I saw it going out of you into that person. You have such an amazing gift of prophecy. Tell me about the prophecy in Jamaica.

VENNER: I was in Jamaica in 2018. I had been going for a couple of years. It was supernatural even the way that I got there. But this particular year it was 2018 and I had gone to minister. I was part of a conference there and I was just… It was my turn to speak. And when I stood up on the platform I didn’t turn to the scripture, the prophetic anointing just began to rise up in me and I–

SID: Like we just saw.

VENNER: Like you just saw and I began to prophesy. And I said, “There’s coming the discovery of oil on this island.” And I said, “Within the next three to four months you’re going to discover oil.” And then I began to say that there would be hidden treasures that would be revealed in the land. And I said, “And then God wants you to know you’re going to have to watch and guard for the spirit of piracy.” I spoke that at the end of January. One month later, at the end of February, I received an email of an article of a story that had been printed in the newspaper and they were talking about the discovery of oil on the island