Sid Roth

Sid: Now my guest Larry Hutton, has got the most wonderful key, Larry I have to tell you when I was listening to your CD’s and the CD has a title “How to Live in Peace All the Time” I felt I could feel the peace of God.  I could feel the pleasure of God; I mean I have so enjoyed listening to your teaching that I had to find out in 1977 when you had a visitation you told me that the presence of God was so strong that you probably couldn’t even get up?

Larry: Yeah, yeah it was pretty awesome.

Sid: Jus out of curiosity, was it ever that strong before that time?

Larry: No Sir, no I had never experienced it before that time.

Sid: I bet you were one excited young man.

Larry: It definitely transformed your life, I mean when you start talking about not having anymore down days the rest of your life; I mean I thought that was too good to be true.  But thank God he showed me in the word, the Bible and it really is true.

Sid: Larry, in 2010 God spoke to you a very sobering word about what’s coming on the earth, tell me what He said.

Larry: Well, he told me that things in the world were going to get worse, that we had not seen the worse yet, but that for His children, for the children that are following after the Lord Jesus that it would not be a time of turmoil it would be a time of being light.  You can walk in His peace right through the dark times and right through those stressful and hurting times and have them not overwhelm you.  So it was pretty sobering in one sense and…

Sid: I have to believe that the message that God taught you in 1977 where He personally taught you how to live in peace all the time, step by step was in preparation for what believer’s need now at this point in history.  There’s going to be…, you know what it reminds me of?  It reminds me of the Exodus where there was a distinction between God’s people and the Egyptians.  That’s what I’m hearing you say.

Larry: Right, yeah because I mean with time the way they are in the financial arena and physical things attacking people and all this stuff it’s like I mean, just overwhelming for people in their mental and emotions and to learn to walk free from that is just…

Sid: Now when God talked to you to you personally in 1977 and told you that you could live like this 24-7 you told me, it was hard for you to believe.

Larry: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me the first test you had that you could remember because as you explained, since ’77 you’ve had plenty of opportunity to have fear and worry etc. but in the early days you must have had what I find is when God gives us a revelation;  the devil gives us a major test.  Tell me about it.

Larry: Yeah, well the Lord had taught me that all of the fears and the stress and the depression and discouragement, all of those things we have to face that He already faced them at the cross and defeated them for us.  So I remember I was at Delta Airlines one time and some lies were told about me that it looked like it was going to make me lose my job. Management had gotten wind of it and they didn’t want to give me the opportunity to defend myself and so I had all of this I was wanting to you know how the old saying, “I’m going to kill those people that lied about me.”  So I had my anger, and then depression and then fear of losing my job and all of this stuff and the Lord reminded me; He said, “Remember what I taught you in John 16:33. That I’ve deprived it of power to harm you and defeated it and conquered it for you.”  And so then I just remember standing up and He told me, “Now speak to those feeling, speak to those negative emotions, talk to them like you would a person and tell them I already told you in advance they were coming and that they were coming and that they were defeated.”  And I remember Sid; I jumped up and just started almost shouting, I mean just started shouted, heah you, just talking to those feeling that I was so about to be overwhelmed with.  Talking to them and just said, “Listen, you don’t have any power to make me depressed, you don’t have any power to make me stressed or worried, I am free!  Jesus already defeated you and I’m free from you; I have the peace of God in me.”  And Sid, when I said that another supernatural thing happened, I felt like I was enveloped in a bubble.  I mean it’s hard to explain it, it was like I was in this bubble of peace that God just garrisoned me like the hedge of Job, it was like all of a sudden I had this peace that I couldn’t even explain.  And I just walked through the midst of that storm and a short time later all of the lies came out; I never even said one word to defend myself but God turned the whole situation around.

Sid: When something like that happens, when you just know inside like you knew when you started speaking to all that turmoil that was hitting you.  Do you ever jump up and down and get excited because you realize what has occurred even though you can’t see it with your natural eye?

Larry: I’m sure some people would probably think it’d be silly if they saw me, there’s been times when I had things like that happen where I just do a little, I guess I’d call it I’d do a little gig, I just dance before the Lord.  It’s just like Lord, you just, I mean it just thrills your soul so much, you just can’t help.  It’s like joy unspeakable.

Sid: Okay, Larry between you and me just the two of us now, it’s been a long time since 1977, you’ve had many opportunities, many, many, many I mean I can probably throw a few that have hit me in the last week.  I’ve had many, many, many opportunities.  Everyone listening to us has, are you telling me that since 1977 you can really say you’ve had no stress filled days, no depression, no woe is me days, no strife filled days, you’re really telling me that?

Larry: I am really telling you that, but between us and face of the Lord Jesus that I have not had a down day, a stress filled day, a depressed day, a discouraged, day.  Plenty of opportunities like you say, but I learned how to pass them up; I learned how to not let them overtake me when they came against me.

Sid: Now you were telling me that over the years since you’ve taught this people with physical conditions get healed.  What about someone with high blood pressure?  Do many people take this teaching and their blood pressure becomes normal?

Larry: Yeah, we’ve had quite a few testimonies of people coming up and they’d tell me, “Larry I was a like a major worry wart and I just always worried and it just caused high blood pressure; but when I found out that Jesus gave me His peace and I didn’t have to worry anymore; I got set free and the blood pressure stabilized and I don’t have to take the medicine anymore.  We heard that many, many, many times.

Sid: What about people, big chronic problem in America with Christians as well as non-Christians is insomnia, I bet this has a lot to do with curing insomnia.

Larry: We have and we actually have gotten testimonies from people that have been telling us that they used to have sleep disorders, and sleep problems and that they actually learned that they could not only live in peace during the day time, but they could lay down in peace at night and then have their sleep sweet.  And that’s been a wonderful testimony, I love hearing people say that; because you know Sid, man when people can’t sleep then that causing all kinds of problems in every other area of your life.

Sid: I have to believe this is such a key, I mean I’ve heard medical studies that people with cancer, if they’ll watch comedies and laugh and laugh it releases some good things in their body and they actually get healed.  Well I happen to believe the reverse is also true; if you’re living in strife all the time, if you’re living in fear and in worry and in panic.  And you’re like a roller coaster, you’re going up and down, it’s got to release things in the body that cause you to be sick.

Larry: Absolutely, absolutely I mean I’ve even talked to doctor friends that have told me that you know that when they go to medical school they’re trained to diagnose these different illnesses.  And when people come in and they can’t diagnose them they realize man this is caused by stress, it’s caused by depression, it’s caused by anger, just all of these things that our bodies were not created to handle; and so it just causes all kinds of messes.

Sid: Now, before this happened to you, before ’77 and the Lord personally came to you, you felt His presence in such a tangible fashion and He showed you step by step how you could live the rest of your life with no down days.  Tell me some of the more severe emotional problems that you were dealing with before that happened.

Larry: You know I didn’t think that I was an emotional unstable person then.  I remember the Lord spoke to me about that and showed me, “Larry if you can’t control your temper then your emotionally unstable.”  Man that was like a low blow, it’s like I thought, woe I’m not emotionally unstable, I’m strong; I’m an athlete I got my act together.  But when I let temper and anger control me and then when things would happen and depression and discouragement and those things would overwhelm me and just rule your life you know.  Just cause you to make wrong decisions and treat people wrong and be mean to people and ugly and it was things like that that I needed…

Sid: Larry, were out of time, but I have to tell you I feel the pleasure of God on your teaching.

Sid: My guest Ruth Fazal has had an encounter with the Messiah that is going to dramatically touch your life.  Ruth so we can get together a little bit, you’re a violinist.  You started playing the violin at age nine, why did you pick it up.

Ruth: I’m not sure, I was offered it at school and I actually didn’t like it that much, I wanted to play something else but it kind of took over as time went on.  But not until thirteen or fourteen I completely feel in love with the instrument and then realized it.  It was a like a voice.

Sid: Now your father is an Anglican Vicar.  Now what is a vicar?

Ruth: A vicar? Well it’s a pastor within the Church of England, in England so that’s what they call them.

Sid: Okay, you kind of distinguished you went to Music College in London and Paris and at twenty-two you were in the Toronto Symphony.   But something happened to you when you went to Toronto.  You went to an Anglican Church which makes sense which you bumped into a legitimate revival.

Ruth: I did, not actually in the church its self but there was a real sort of renewal going on in the Anglican Church in those days and it was just really exciting to see the Holy Spirit moving in people’s lives, hearing prophetic words coming from people and just getting the sense that God is so alive.  It wasn’t about going through motions; it was a about encountering a living God and that He is wanting to do things, he’s wanting to say things; He’s wanting to draw us into His Kingdom.  Yeah, it was fairly life changing because in all of that realizing that if God had that kind of call on my life this was surely going to actually effect how I lived my life as a musician as a violinist and all of those things.

Sid: And I have always loved the violin, especially in worship music.  But what you’ve done is well; I’m getting ahead of my story.  Let’s kind of take this in a logical fashion.  Then you found yourself, you were in Toronto at the Toronto Airport Church which was really having a revival, what happened to you?

Ruth: Oh wow, that was pretty amazing; I was actually just in the process of recording a new sort of a new worship album.  And my friend Jeremy is the worship leader at the TCIF as it was called at the time.  He called me up and he said, “Ruth you might want to come play, there is something going on at the church, this guy Randy Clark has been here for like four nights now and it looks like he’s staying.  And so I went out with my friend and just kind of going, “OK, its this —-and undeniably the presence of the Lord was so strong.  I had never experienced anything like that.  And it was funny because I would go back night after night and sometimes I would say to myself, okay I’m just feeling this, I’m like I’m almost syking myself up for it, I’m just going to go in and just decide I’m not going to feel anything.  And then I would go in and I would sit there and then the Holy Spirit would just land on me.  Yeah really something started to happen very deep.  I realizing and recognizing the real presence of God, you know.  I’ve always known the Lord in an intimate way.  I’ve always known the Father in an intimate way, but there was a whole other level of this and it felt like it was the beginning of something very new for me.

Sid: Now, God gives you visions, did it pretty much start there or had that been most of your life?

Ruth: Good question, I think, let’s say it increased, it increased at that time.  I think that it’s that kind of senses that when you start to realize that God is speaking and wanting to make Himself known all the time then your expectation of actually hearing from Him or seeing what He’s saying I think increases.

Sid: Well, the next year 1995 you had been soaking in the presence of God, I understand that you would stay till 2:30 in the morning.

Ruth: Oh yeah, sometimes I would have had a concert in Toronto city, you know concerts finish around 10:30 at night, I’d get in my car and I’d head out to the church because I knew that probably even the main part of the meeting hadn’t finished.  But the ministry time would go one for so long.  And so yeah, I had many many encounters with the Lord in that context and it seemed like everything would start to happen after midnight.

Sid: You know, I noticed that too.  I think that it has to do with the fact that the only ones that will be there after midnight are the ones hungry for God.  Otherwise, people are sleeping at midnight.  Ha-ha.

Ruth: Ha-ha.

Sid: So the next year in 1995 you had a visitation which you really didn’t understand, where Jesus gave you a violin bow.

Ruth: Yeah, oh that was amazing, it was kind of these, it was the end of a meeting and I was laying on the floor at the back of the church and just waiting, just waiting for him you know.  And I felt like I saw Him coming towards me and He was holding, like He was holding out in His hand a bow, He was carrying it towards me and I sort of saw myself stand, I was laying there but I saw myself stand up and He put the bow in my hand and He said, “Here Ruth, this one’s for you, I think you might want to have this one.”  And I didn’t, really I didn’t understand it at that the time except that I knew that it was kind of commissioning; it was kind of, He was giving me something new.  And actually even now as we’re talking I realize what happened next because it was sort of within a year or so that I did the first recording with the violin where I was feeling that I was to just just to play and to let the Holy Spirit come.  And it was all spontaneous and just trust that somehow the Holy Spirit would invade the space wherever it was being played, wherever people would hear it, whoever would hear it so.

Sid: But then a couple years later you had a visitation which Jesus totally clarified what He was doing.

Ruth: Yes, yes then it became even more specific, that’s right.  I remember I had just dropped my daughter off at school and I came back home.  I just felt like the Lord said like, “Just come and sit down a minute,” and so I did and I just waiting and I heard Him say, “Ruth it’s time for a new bow.”  And after thinking, what’s this you know, and then He said, “Reach up and take it.”  So I stood up and I put my hands up to take the bow and it was so heavy like, now heavy in a bad way, heavy in a weighty kind of way and a glory kind of way.  And it was so heavy I just fell to the ground because I realized I could not carry this bow, this bow was something very different.  And then He said, “This bow is a bow of healing, righteousness and forgiveness.”

Sid: What does that mean?  What did it mean to you?

Ruth: Well, not a lot at the time. Ha-ha.  At the time I didn’t understand it, I knew that it was real, I think I knew a little bit about the healing aspect because I’d already seen how God would touch people’s hearts in the context of playing the violin.  And so I’d seen that the way the people would encounter the Lord.  The forgiveness part, I didn’t, you know I didn’t really actually if I think about it now I’m not quite sure how much I understand that part.  The righteousness part though, that sense of His Holiness, that sense of then what He called me to do just a few years later when He asked me to write this piece based on poetry of the children from the Holocaust.  And so it really, as soon as you enter into that whole realm of you know, where is God in those kinds of times.  You never typically encounter His righteousness because you have to acknowledge in all things His righteous and that you know even when we don’t understand that He is good, that He is righteous.

Sid: Now did you see, now by that time you were playing the violin at the Toronto Church but did you see a difference in the anointing after that visitation?

Ruth: I felt it, certainly people said they did.  I’m always, I always seem to be the last one.

Sid: I understand exactly.

Ruth: It’s like everybody else see’s it and they go, “wow,” and I’m going oh, well I was just playing you know.  But, yeah I think more of a sense when I was playing very specific things I think there was an increase in authority.  Like before I would play my violin and it was really lovely to play before the Lord and sometimes I would feel what I was playing was maybe a Word from Him, but He was somehow speaking.  But I think when I started to see was an increase in the sense of the authority that God had stood me in, that now…

Sid: Well, I think that it so phenomenal when you play over people.  Tomorrow I want you, well we’ll play a selection.

Sid: Were talking about end-times with Joel Richardson and it’s been prophesied and Joel has lived in the Middle East and he has studied Islam that he would understand the revelation of the end times and he’s put together a DVD series that will totally change your paradigm for end times; and it’s so Biblical.  But I have to ask you a question Joel, something that a lot of people are misunderstood; they just plain don’t understand.  And that has to do with the Muslim God Allah.  And many say that’s just synonymous with God and they use it interchangeably with the God of the Bible.  Explain to me what Allah means to a Muslim.

Joel: Well, some people will say that Allah is simply the Arabic word for God as supposed to a proper name for God and they point to the fact that Arab Christians in the Middle East refer to God as Allah.  The question is, “Did the Christians refer to God as Allah prior to them having been subjected to the Islamic governets?” And that is very doubtful, perhaps they just caved in and said, “Oh it’s just a name, we’ll call God, Allah in order to be at peace. But the bottom line is, Allah is first and foremost the God of Islam that comes with his own set of doctrines, specific theology.  And the God of Islam is not the God of the Bible.  The God of the Bible has a history; he’s the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  The God of Islam bares a far closer resemblance to all the ancient near Eastern War and Moon God’s that the Israelites were fighting against, that they were contending with.  The Allah of Islam is much more related to the God that Abraham left behind in the desert than the God that he followed to Israel.

Sid: So when a Muslim says “Allah, who is he referring to?”

Joel: Well, again in a Muslim’s mind he’s referring to the creator of all things and in that very general sense we agree that God is the creator of all things.  But he’s not referring to the God of the Bible because Muslims reject much of the Bible.  He is not referring to the God who sent His Son to mankind in order to demonstrate His love for mankind, in order to do for us what we could not do for ourselves on the cross.  In order to pay for our sins, in order to draw us to Himself.  They reject the notion that God would ever, ever become a man that’s absolutely blasphemous to Muslims.

Sid: So as far as I’m concerned it’s a different God.

Joel: Yeah, it’s a different God, you know yes there is some general similarities and when the little Muslim cries out to Allah, I believe that God hears the cry of the ignorant child who’s crying out to the unknown God of creation that he calls Allah, I believe that.  But when it comes to the specific about what Muslims believe about God and what the Bible teaches, it is a different God and Christians should not use the name of Allah.

Sid: And yet, I hear throughout the whole Middle East there are so many Muslims that are having revelations of Jesus, not the Jesus that Islam describes, the Jesus that the Bible describes.

Joel: You know, exactly!  I just met with a Muslim leader in Istanbul, a very very influential, a Turkish intellectual Turkish Muslim leader.  And we sat down in his house and I looked at him and I said, “Adnun I’ve come to Istanbul, because I am concerned for you; I want you to become a follower of Jesus, not the Jesus of the Koran, the Jesus of the Bible because they are to radically different individuals.’  And throughout the Middle East today in unprecedented numbers we are seeing Muslims come to faith specifically as a result, a direct result of a supernatural vision or a dream.  This is unprecedented and to put it in context you know the Bible says, “How will they hear without a preacher?” It is as if in these last days the Lord Himself is directly evangelizing people.  I believe that in their ignorance as Muslim pray five times a day and they say “Allah, guide me to the straight path.” I believe that among those that are sincere God is responded to them and He’s teaching them the truth about Himself in Messiah, in Yeshua and He’s calling them out of Islam.

Sid: And do you know what I find fascinating, with Jewish people it’s not so much saying Isaiah 53 written 800 years before Jesus came to earth, it’s a perfect description of Jesus, but its signs and wonders is the same thing going on with Muslims?

Joel: You know I have a really close friend that I went to school with here in the states and he lives in Berlin now, we talk at least once a week.  And he is seeing Muslims in Berlin come to faith several per week.  You know, he’ll go in a café and he’ll share the gospel with someone and two Muslims at the table next to him will interrupt and say, “We want that, we want to get saved!”  He said, “It’s not even a matter of having to throw out the net any more their jumping into the boat.”  He recently had a meeting where a very prominent Turkish businessman in the area invited dozens of Turks that had recently moved to Germany to a meeting where my friend prayed for them and nine out of nine people were instantaneously healed and nine out of nine Turkish Muslims gave their life to Christ that day, that’s in one day!  He’s seeing these things every week, this is unheard of!

Sid: Well, you know why this is going on, there is going to be so many Muslims and Jews, there’s going to be a revival among Muslims and Jews and this is the first fruits of the revival so we’ll have a few leaders.

Joel: Amen and amen and when they come to faith they are fearless, they are fearless…

Sid: They are normal, let’s call it the way it is.  They’re normal, not American Christian normal, Biblical normal.

Joel: Exactly Christianity 101 and as they’re being discipled; they are actually trying to keep away from them Christians that have been Christians for their life.

Sid: Do you know what I would love to do, I would love to do is I would love to get ten Jewish Rabbi’s saved, keep them away from religion; be it Rabbinic Judaism or be it Constantine Christianity and we would have our first ten men walking on water.

Joel: Absolutely, and you know I’ll tell you with regard to the Jews coming to faith, the Bible says that “The gentiles have the ministry of jealousy; they are to make the Jewish people jealous because of their relationship with Yahweh.”   And I believe that when Jews see Muslims coming to Yeshua and repenting of their anti-Semitism and embracing the Jewish people and loving the Jewish people that that will be when Ishmael comes to the God of Israel, comes back to the God of Israel that will be one of the more significant factors that will bring conviction to the heart of the Jewish people.

Sid: Let’s go to your revelation of Micah Chapter 5:2-4 where you’re building your case that the anti-Christ will come out of Islam and the Islamic system.

Joel: Exactly, for those that have read you know the “Left behind” series, we’re taught that the anti-Christ will come out of Europe and all these sort of things.  But when we look at any of the passages through-out the Old Testament that speak of the coming of the Messiah, Jesus is always coming back to do battle against Islamic nations, Islamic peoples and all the references to the anti-Christ are Islamic names, Islamic titles.  In Micah 5 you have the prophecy of the Bethlehem born Messiah.  We always quote this around Christmas; this is what the Pharisees quoted to Herod when asked where the Messiah would be born.  But when you read a little bit further it says specifically that when the Assyrian; and again this is another title for the anti-Christ; when the Assyrian invades the land of Israel.  Speaking to the final invasion of the land of Israel by the Anti-Christ is says that “Jesus the Messiah, the Bethlehem born Messiah would deliver the Jewish people from the Assyrian.”  And when you look at this title the Assyrian; if you’re a believer that takes the Bible at its face value interpretation then you have to ask yourself, is it real more reasonable to conclude that the anti-Christ as the Assyrian will come from out of the former region of the Assyrian Empire in the Middle East.”  Or is it a more reasonable conclude that the anti-Christ will be Nicolae Carpathia from Romania?

Sid: And Daniel 2:43 you gave me the Aramaic understanding of the statue where the toes will be of mixed substance, what does that word mixed mean in Aramaic?

Joel: Well in Aramaic the word for mix is Arab, and if you are to look at that verse in its literal translation if you read Aramaic it would simply say this, “In and that you saw the feet of iron mixed with the clay so also the Kingdom will be Arab.”  This is one of the clearest and most direct references to the nature of the fourth kingdom.  It’s a very similar story to where Daniel went to Belshazzar and says mine tico Perez, the kingdom will be divided and it will be given to Paras Persian.  It is your typical eastern play on words; Arab means mixed and it also mean Arab people, they were known as the mixed people.  The final fourth kingdom will be an Ishmaelite kingdom, the Islamic Empire.

Sid: In your heart of hearts why does God want your DVDs out now?

Joel: Well, I believe that the church needs to be prepared for what’s coming, and the church needs to awaken to the reality so that we can begin moving in the direction that He wants us to move.  It’s not just an issue of knowing the correct facts but knowing what to do.  In the last days we need to know about the last times, but we also need to know how to respond.  We need to know where to direct our energies.  If the Lord is touching and drawing out a remnant from without of the Islamic world we want to be part of that.  We want to get involved, we want to know where to direct our prayers and I believe that this DVD series will help the church to do that.

Sid: Now, you talk about Turkey as a very significant country, why?

Joel: Well, when we look at the prophecy of Ezekiel 38, 39 this is one of the clearest and most direct passages about the end-times in the whole Bible.  Many people believe that Gog…

Sid: Oh, I’m sorry we’re out of time, will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.  Mishpochah this is the clearest understanding of the end times that you’ll ever see.  And you must understand the end times to know what to do.

Sid: My guest Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov.  Alyosha is a World Class Concert Pianist, but you know Alyosha there’s been such a change, I’ve known you for many years and there has been a such a change in even as you’ve explained you know in the former Soviet Union.  You won awards and competitions and you’ve come from a long line of musicians, but there was a major turning point in your personal life which then affected your music tell me about that.

Alyosha: Well, when I realized that it’s a lot of effort to practice for a two hour concert and I did not want to do it.  At one point God began to speak to me and teach me and He said, “You know maybe I’m not looking for classical musicians in my Kingdom, but I’m looking for those that will worship Me in the Spirit and in Truth.  And I received a new desire to create music for His glory.  And that actually took quite a process and I had, in that process I had several encounters with God and the main encounter I had was when I truly truly experienced His love; that really affected the music.

Sid: You mean previous to that you had not experienced His love?

Alyosha: Not to the same degree, I mean as a believer I had already created some music and I believe that God’s love was flowing through it, but I myself did not know to the degree that God wanted me to know.  Because God is love and you know…

Sid: And by the way, speaking about love, I have here in my notes that you say, “Love has the highest frequency.”  That sort of sounds almost like scripture where it says, “Love never fails.”

Alyosha: Correct, yeah.  That scripture, “God is love,” there’s nothing in the world that is higher than God.  As a matter of fact scripture says you know, “If you’re not comfortable with love, then you’re not comfortable with God.”

Sid: And Jody, as you point out the opposite of fear is love, the opposite of love is fear.

Jody: Right, a lot of people try to just pray away fear or cast out fear, but it cannot really be cast out, it must be replaced with love, an experiential love in the very core of one’s heart and mind and that is something that only the relationship, an intimate relationship with God can do.  And most of us never really got copious amounts of affection love and having parents be presents and look at us with eye contact.

Sid: But we had imperfect parents so what do you expect because they had imperfect parents.

Jody: Exactly, so we’re all really destined to turn to God and there’s is only one way to get there and that is thru Yeshua the Messiah because He paid full price for us to get all the way to the heart of the Father.  Through what He did for us so we can get to the Father God, His love and experience that through Yeshua Himself and so that is what really displaces fear.

Alyosha: Let me in interject this, it doesn’t matter what kind of parents we have, there is a wonderful verse that has to be reality in my life and that is Psalm 27 verse 11.  And it says, “When your Father and Mother will forsake you I will take care of you.”  We have a parent that is the highest being in the Universe.

Sid: Alyosha you had a mentor who is now in Heaven by the name of Jack Frost.  What did he teach you that allowed you to transition into this perfect love?

Alyosha: I heard of Jack Frost first time in the year 2000 and he taught this message, you know that Our Father really loves us and that it is, you know we have hard time receiving His love. Because of our pain and hurts and experiences we had with our Father and Mother, but that is why Yeshua came to heal the broken hearts; He came to heal us so that we would be able to freely receive the love from our Heavenly Daddy.  It was absolutely a wonderful message and I listened to it for years and years and years but listening to the message is one thing, experiencing it is another.  God’s love must be experienced; it took several years before I went to one of the Schools that Jack started for ministers.  A school that lasted one month and it was a lot of difficulty even getting there because you know it’s a lot of money, I have to leave all my responsibilities and go, but I went.  And besides the great teaching, what I received was a group of people that had been processed by God’s love.  And they would just surround you and they would comfort you and for the first time I was in the company of people that you know I didn’t feel like I would have to tell them, “You know I’m a great ministry, I’m a Concert Pianist, I’m a this and that.”  I knew that I was loved with all my failures and all my problems; they loved me because love is unconditional.

Sid: Now, out of curiosity, is it easy for you now to love other people the way you were loved?

Alyosha: Much easier because you know, I’ve experienced it.  And not only that, but when I compose music I ask God to release God’s compassion to my heart and I have no problem you know feeling it flow.

Sid: Well, give us a tip for those that haven’t walked in that realm, give us some tips in how to walk in that realm.

Alyosha: Well, let me just give you first one experience that really transformed me because that was really the major, major transformation in my life.  In that school there was one big man and he didn’t teach much, he would just kind of sneak behind you and he would catch you in his arms and he would begin to bless you with a Father’s Blessing.  And I was uncomfortable with such closeness with man because I didn’t feel close to God, you know, I wasn’t comfortable being close to a man.  And he was strong and big and I’m small and my goodness.

Sid: So he overpowered you.

Alyosha: Overpowered me.

Sid: He overpowered you with love though.  Ha ha.

Alyosha: And he would begin to say “Father, give him all the love that he missed growing up.”  And he’d begin to bless me and I began to feel his heart.  It’s hard to describe because after this a cried for twenty five days straight.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity did you cry much before that?

Alyosha: Almost never because I was taught that men need to be strong, they don’t need to show emotion and all that and in a sense my family suffered because I did not know how to release the fullness of intimacy to Jody, to my wife and to my children.

Sid: Jody what difference have you seen in Alyosha since he’s experienced God’s love?

Jody: Well, the first thing I would say is that he is more sensitive, more attentive, sensitive to God to hearing the voice of God, and to me as his wife.  And then the first thing that really happened when he walked through the door after experiencing this kind of deep intimate love in his heart, not just in his head because he’s a brilliant man, so it’s easy for him to know the scriptures, but what happened when it hit his heart was a total transformation.  As soon as he walked through the door you could feel the difference, I started crying, I just looked at him and started crying, not just out of joy from seeing him which I definitely missed him, but I could sense that there was a change.  And now what we’re doing is we go out to the nations of the world and here in the United States is that we’re sharing this music and the experience of God’s love in the heart and we’re watching that not only transform our lives and our children, but also other peoples’ lives and this is what excites me more than anything else.

Sid: Are you seeing a difference in his music since he had this encounter?

Jody: His music has totally changed; it’s not the same music and not only that, but he gets on the piano now and he’ll start to hear the Lord minister.  The Lord speaks their words of love and he’ll start to repeat what he’s hearing in his heart and in his spirit which is aloud now and it’s totally different than anything he did before.

Sid: Let’s hear some from “The Lord is My Healer.”

Sid: We are in process, in case you don’t know this is the set time to favor Zion, and although I think it’s wonderful to help Jewish people get to Israel, I think that it’s wonderful to do humanitarian aid for Jewish people, and I think that it’s wonderful to plant trees in Israel.  How much more planting the gospel of Jewish people at this time that God is removing the spiritual scales.  And it is my belief and it’s my contention that the gifts of the Spirit that have been hidden if you will for centuries from most Christians especially American Christians are coming front and center stage because the Jew requires a sign and it’s the job of the Gentiles according to Romans 11:11 salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.  Just as it was the job of the Jew to reach the Gentile, we did a pretty good job and now it’s time for Gentile Christians to do a pretty good job.  Reach the Jew then the two together and this is the explosion that God’s after; the two together join arm and arm and reach the world for the greatest revival the world has ever seen.  So simple you need help to be confused; but I have a guest who I’ve just recently met because He has a brand new book out called “The School of the Seers” Jonathan Welton.  And Jonathan has been raised up we found out on Monday’s broadcast that his family was complete but God told his mother that she could have a special child because God wanted this child born and this child was Jonathan.   And then at age nineteen he had a tremendous prophecy from Dennis Crammer which the next thirty days God opened his eyes to the invisible realm and he began seeing things, words over people.  As a matter of fact one of the things that intrigues me is couples that at barren Jonathan sometimes you’ll see a baby.  Will the baby be like over their head or where will you see the baby?

Jonathan: Well, at times I would see in the spirit, not in the physical but seeing in the spirit around a young couple that was trying to conceive and they hadn’t yet; there struggling with that.  I would see a little child, sometimes a boy, sometimes a girl and the Lord would speak to me that they were trying but they were having physical problems.

Sid: Now, excuse me when you say you would see in the Spirit what I believe you’re saying is you would see through your spiritual eyes but it would probably be as real as if you were seeing a television screen or is it different?

Jonathan: Yeah, It’s like seeing something imposed over the physical, there’s another dimension that surrounds us; the spirit realm and Paul tells us to fix our eyes on the unseen realm.  He says it in 2^nd Corinthians 4, and so the Lord had opened my eyes for these first thirty days after the prophecy and I was seeing, at the time I was also seeing young couples that need a physical healing so that they could have a child.  And I know several children now that have been born because I laid hands on and released that discerning word to them and prayed for their womb to be open.

Sid: Now when someone has cancer, can you see this sometimes?

Jonathan: Sometimes I see the cancer and sometimes the Lord show me the cause or the reason that they have cancer.

Sid: Give me an example.

Jonathan: Well, I recently have the documented case of an eighty year old woman who had ovarian cancer and she actually had the ovary removed and they said they only got 90% and the 10% was inoperable and they gave her six months to live.  Now at the time that I met her she only had four months left, she was in stage four cancer; she was on her second round of chemotherapy and she had been healthy most of her life until this had come along.  And so the Lord began to show me some things in the spirit realm and had me pray with her for about an hour over some of the things he showed me about unforgiveness and some of these wounds and some of these ever some stress that she had allowed in her life.  So as we prayed those things through about two weeks later I got a call, her doctor walked in after examining her blood and all her charts and he said “I don’t know how to tell you this but your 100% cancer free.

Sid: And are you seeing a lot of people healed through this gift of discerning of spirits?  It’s like the key that stops you from operating in the blind.

Jonathan: Absolutely, absolutely see we find an interesting thing that a lot of Christians don’t realize how much wounding and weapons were carrying around in our bodies.  For example, we read in Ephesians 6 that the shield of faith is supposed to extinguish the fiery darts of the evil one.  Now I’ve never walked into a church and see people with fiery darts stuck in them in the physical but I’ve seen it in the spirit.  And we need to understand that there are attacks that come against our physical body that come in that invisible realm.

Sid: So for the next thirty days your eyes were open to the invisible realm but then the frequency started to diminish, explain what happened.

Jonathan: Well I started to see less and less each day and I was crying out to the Lord saying, did I do something wrong?  Is it sin in my life, what’s happening, why is the sensitivity to the spirit declining?  And He began, he showed me a vision in response to that prayer and in the vision I saw a light switch, just like you’d have on a wall in any house or office and the light switch, He said the last thirty days I turned the light switch on, which is the gift of discerning of spirits to show me how the gift operates.  But now He’s turning the light switch off so that He can teach me how to turn it on and off.  Because we weren’t intended to 100% all the time in the spirit realm, we see it even in Revelation 1,  it says, “On the Lord’s Day John was in the spirit,” that means that he went in and he went out.  He wasn’t constantly over loaded.  And so the Lord said, “I’m going to teach you how to turn this gift on and off, how to function in it and go back and forth between these realms.

Sid: I’m so sorry we’re out of time; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; you must be on the edge of your seat wanting to find out the rest of this story, you see Delores Winder was a strong strong Bible believing Christian but she believe miracles had ceased.  But she had her youngest son who was, she didn’t want to die until she knew that he’d be taken care of, you see she had a disease in which all of her bones were deteriorating and she was in such unbearable pain.  And they only do this for people that are terminal; they gave her two operations in which they burned out the nerve centers in her brain so that she would not experience pain.  It’s not a reversible operation; they only do it if they know that you’re going to die.  And her body organs started closing down and she reached a point where they sent her home to die.  But there was a woman that she was told about and of course she had heard of this woman, and she thought that she was a big fake, Kathryn Kulman because she would see these miracles and she would see people falling over in the Spirit and she just couldn’t stand it.  But she had the distinct impression that if she went to this meeting, not to be healed, but she would find out what to do with her youngest son, Chris and how he’d be taken care of.  She literally said to God, she had the chutzpa; she had the nerve to say to God, “I’m not leaving this earth until I know my son is going to be taken care of.”  So she went to the Kathryn Kulman meeting.  They carried her out of the car, took her in, she couldn’t stand what she was seeing, so she literally closed her eyes, but the Holy Spirit started talking to her and explaining, in fact you had a vision Delores Winder of what would happen to your son.  Because the Holy Spirit would be with him where he would go, after you had that vision did that bring you comfort?

Delores: Oh, the peace was so great and I knew I could go home and it wasn’t only for Chris, but for Bill also and that they would be at peace.

Sid: Even though you had that peace you were wrestling with a headache too.

Delores: Oh, I had a horrible headache, yes.  But that didn’t bother me because I knew I had my answer for Chris.

Sid: But all of a sudden your legs start there like on fire.

Delores: Yes, and as Dale prepared me to get me out of there my legs were burning and I also knew somebody else existed that night, satan the devil spoke to me and said, “Aren’t you glad you only wear your cast one hour a day now?”  Because I only needed it on when I was up and I would sit up for an hour a day with Bill and Chris and I agreed with that voice.  And I thought “Oh, I can’t wait to get the cast off.”  Because that voice said, “That bone that is sticking out, see he makes it very logical, the bone that is sticking out is putting pressure and that cast is putting pressure on that bone and it’s making your legs burn and it was almost unbearable.”  And just as I was ready for Dale to pick me a man was down by my chair and he said to me, “Something’s happening to you.”  And I said “My legs are on fire.”  And he said, “Would you walk with me, and I said “Get me out of here.”  And he helped me up and realized I couldn’t walk and he said, “How can I help you?”  And I said, “Put one arm around me and take my other arm and with my cane I can shuffle.”  And we started out and he said to me “Have you ever had any surgery?”  Well, anyone in my condition you would almost know they had surgery and I said to him, “I have had four spinal fusions and two percutaneous cordotomies.”  Now, nobody knew what percutaneous cordotomies were and so they wouldn’t ask any more questions, they would say, “Oh.”

Sid: That’s your way of dismissing this man.

Delores: Yes, and this man turned me to face him and he said, “You’ve had two percutaneous cordotomies and your legs are burning, isn’t that rather strange?”

Sid: Well that’s right you have no feeling in your legs, how could they burn?

Delores: Yeah, and I just looked at him and I thought, “He knows what I’m talking about and nobody ever did” but I wouldn’t respond to him and then he started me walking back out again.  We got to the doors to go out the lobby, and he said, “You don’t know what’s happening to you, but you can take your cast off if you want to.” And my instant reaction was, “Dear God, these people are dangerous, this man telling me I could take my cast off who knew nothing about me.”  And I looked at him, but I saw something in him that I knew that he knew something I didn’t know and he said to me again, “Would you want to take it off?”  And you know Sid, I found out a lot of people don’t want to come out of the illness, but I said to him, “I have been in one of these things for over fifteen years and I’m dying.”  And he shook his head and I knew he knew and I said, “Of course I want to take it off.”  The next thing I knew he had me in the woman’s restroom and I’m leaning against the wall and Dale’s there and she says, “Get her cast off of her and get her out to me.”  But when he walked out that restroom anything that I sensed with him in the present was gone and I’m trying to take my cast off and Dale said, “Delores, this isn’t like you, is something different?”  And I said, “No.”  She said, “This isn’t like you,” and I started fastening the cast back up and that man came back in.  And as soon as he walked through that door I knew, “Get me to him, get me out of this and get me to him.”  And he was a doctor from Johns Hopkins Hospital that the Lord sent in there that day, and he came off platform because he had the word of knowledge of my healing.

Sid: So, he picked you out of how many people were in the audience?

Delores: Three thousand.

Sid: And he walks right up to you?

Delores: Yes.

Sid: Because God sent him off the platform with a Word of Knowledge to walk right up to you.  Okay, so you got this cast off, what happened next?

Delores: Then an usher carried me in and Kathryn was waiting for him and turned and said, “What do you have their doctor?”  And as she said, that was the first I knew that he was a doctor and he said, a spine. She said, “Bring her here immediately.”  And they took me up on platform.  And Sid, I was so in my traditional way, and I thought, “Oh, I’m being put in that side show, and all I could think was, “Well at least nobody here knows me but Dale.”  Kathryn made me give my name and where I lived before I left the platform and later she said to me, “You know why I did that don’t you, pride.”  And they got me up on platform and she said to the doctor, Richard O’Ellen, “Tell the people what’s wrong.”  And he said, “All I know is that she has had four spinal fusions and percutaneous cordotomies and her legs are on fire and that’s not possible.”  And he had two other men on stage hold me up while he went to the mike and they had me in an awkward position and I thought if they let go of me I’m going to fall and I’ll fall flat on my face.  And so I had to push my one foot out to kind of get a balance and she I did it came up off the floor and when it came down I thought, “I feel the floor, no, you can’t feel the floor.”  But again I had to get the other foot out because the right leg went out too far, and I pulled my left leg up and it came off the floor and I felt the floor.  And I said, “I can’t feel the floor.”  But all of a sudden the feeling came in my finger tips, my right side, my arm and hands was also free of any feeling.  And feeling started in my finger tips in my right hand and started coming up and when it got up to my waist, they said I started screaming, “I can feel, I can feel.”  And that didn’t mean anything to her because she had no idea what he was talking about.  And she said to me, “Walk.”  And I told her, I can’t.  And she said again, “Walk.”  And as I started walking they said, “I ran, came back and she said…

Sid: You had to be carried into the meeting, and you ran?

Delores: Yes, yes, and when I got back to where she was she said, “Bend over.”  And all the further the doctors bend me was a very short ways and they couldn’t bend me anymore.  And I started bending over realizing I had no pain, I had feeling and I bent over and she said, “Do it again, and the second time I did it, I touched the floor with my hands and from then on it was very difficult for me because I didn’t really, I was in such a fog by that time.

Sid: Did she pray for you?

Delores: No, no and then she said to me, “Just turn around.”  And I turned around and when I did one of the doctors who were sitting on platform, who did not like any of this at all and thought it was a plant and this was a show, and he said, “He happened to look because just a real hush fell.”  And when it fell, he said, “He looked up and he said he saw my body straightening.”  And he introduced me the next year at the Methodist conference and said, “You know, I saw it happen, no one can say it doesn’t.”  But anyway, she touched me and I went down and when they got me up she said…

Sid: But wait a second, you didn’t believe, you thought that was all fake when people were falling down when she touched them.

Delores: In my world this is what I believed.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, I just hate to do it, but we have to stop right now, but wait until you read the full story…

Sid: My guest David Herzog, I’m speaking to him at his home in Sedona Arizona and David I understand over the last few months a tremendous sign has been occurring.  People with metal plates it’s been disappearing from them body, tell me about that

David: Yeah, it’s amazing I’ll be in the glory in the meeting and God will give me words of knowledge and I’ll see metal turning back to bone or just disappearing and people will come up and we’ve seen this for ten years but it’s like every week now it’s happening.  Metals just disappear, the screws are gone, the plates are gone  We were in London, England last week it happened there, it happened in LA this weekend, it’s just happening non-stop.  I remember Sid, one time…

Sid: By the way, do you know what I’m looking forward to someone has the metal removed and they flew to one of your meetings and when they go back to the metal detector at the airport, it doesn’t go off any more.

David: Wonderful, you know I’m sure it happens I just need to keep up with these guys that get these miracles, but yeah, they are just amazed.  One lady had a straight metal rod; she couldn’t bend her leg because it was a straight rod down her leg.  And at the meeting I just said “Someone can’t bend your legs bend your legs.”  The lady started bending her leg and starts screaming and I’m thinking, oh that’s not a big deal until I found out that there was suppose to be a metal rod in there.

Sid: Tell me, because this the question a lot of people are asking, someone that’s not use to walking this heavy manifest presence of God, this glory of God.  I want you to mentor them right now.  Tell them what they should be doing because there meant to walk in this glory of God.

David: It starts in your personal time with God, it’s intimacy with God, so one of the best ways, when you get up in the morning to pray.  Instead of just going through your list of things to pray, I would just put the list away for now and just start to praise and worship God just for who He is, not for what He can do for you, just because you love Him, until He comes.  And so I always talk about praise as the more faster breakthrough songs, you do maybe even dancing in your room and shouting to God and warfare songs and then you start worshiping which is the slow intimate songs and you do that until the heavy presence comes.  It will just get stronger and stronger and stronger.  And so you enter His courts with praise and thanksgiving and worship and then once you’re in that heavy praise, you’ll know when you are in that presence.  The atmosphere will change and then that’s when I start speaking to God but by that time you’ll see pictures, which I call visions of yourself doing this or doing that.  Start then to just declare what you see “Well, I declare this is going to happen or that is going to happen or maybe God told you that maybe you’re a preacher or you are going to speak somewhere and you see a city.”  One time I saw New York, so I said, New York open up Wall Street area, open up and within a couple of hours I was invited to speak in the Wall street area.  So a lot of time even your whole prayer life will change the way doors open will change, it’s a whole different realm when you pray in the glory you are like creating what you are speaking as opposed to begging God to do it.

Sid: Now I remember you talking to me at least a year ago maybe longer that you felt God told you that you were going to have an impact on people in Hollywood.  It’s starting to happen now from which you’re telling me.

David: Oh man, it’s amazing, just this last weekend, I mean I went to the Burbank, North Ridge area which is a lot of Hollywood actors were there but I found out that it is also the porn industry headquarters.  So I’m going to the airplane thinking about this, I get on the airplane and a drunk lady walks in, she’s kind of drunk, she misses her seat, comes back and she is sitting next to me, this was last Friday.  And anyway making a long story short, she’s kind of drunk, she asks me, what I do for a living, I tell her, ask her what she does and she tells me she’s a porn star.  And I didn’t tell you this story, but by the end of the flight, I was praying for her and she’s weeping and I found out she was from the Assembly of God, she’s a preacher’s daughter, Spirit filled, led a youth group, use to preach on holiness, against sin, against lust, preached at her prom, was a full blown evangelist outreach.  She use to see the blind healed and everything and she got raped on an Easter Sunday and it changed her whole life, she though God didn’t love her anymore.  So I told her, “God still wants you back and blah, blah blah.”  So that’s how the trip started could you imagine?  Then we get into the church and half of the people there are in the Hollywood industry, actors, producers, directors, writers and of course a lot of Jewish people in the industry so they were there.  And every night people were getting saved; people in the entertainment industry; Hollywood and Jewish people receiving the Lord, signs, wonders, miracles, the glory.  So it’s starting to come to pass, it is happening just supernaturally, I’m not doing anything to make it happen.

Sid: Now what does it mean to you that for the first time in actually when I first became a believer in the early 1970s there was a move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people but then it kind of, it stopped and now God’s started again dealing with Israel, dealing with Jewish people.  What does this mean to you David?

David: Well, it means that well it says that when the fullness of Gentiles come in then all Israel shall be saved.  So were seeing a lot of nations and I travel around the world, Sir Lanka and a lot of places, they are coming in.  So the fullness of the gentiles are coming in.  And when that reaches a completion the Jews start coming in and the Jews are coming in now.  LA has one of the largest populations maybe next to New York, these heavy Jewish population areas are suddenly completely ripe for the gospel which means that the return of the Lord isn’t very far.

Sid: Now it says that we don’t know the day or the hour but we certainly know the season and that’s what I hear you saying.

David: Yeah the signs of it, I would say, work like he’s not coming for 100 years but live in holiness and live right with God as if He’s coming today.  But yeah, He’s a, something is up I’ve never seen such an opening and my own Father it took eight years to pray for him to receive the Lord, and He’s Jewish and now I’m seeing people, his own relatives coming to Lord just very very very fast.  Not even putting up a mental argument about it, which is amazing, a Jewish Lawyer came the other night and when he got there he told my Jewish Aunt, you need to join this ministry.  This is before he received the Lord; he already liked it because the presence and the glory of God was in that room.

Sid: Now, another thing that happens when people enter into the glory where the presence of God is that they have Heavenly visitations, tell me about some.

David: Yeah, Heavenly visitations can be anything when they enter the glory sometimes they get prophetic dreams, sometimes they get angelic visitations, sometimes they see the Messiah himself, Yeshua will come in the room or visit them, so it is just anything of Heaven coming down and visiting you.  Some people get a dream and then they wake up and say wow I went to Africa and later find out it wasn’t a dream, they go to Africa and people say “Oh, your back.”  So, yeah it’s a whole new realm, it’s a whole new world, it’s not like our world here.

Sid: Tell me about the experience in French Guiana.

David: Oh yeah we were there preaching and it’s heavy witchcraft area, the tribal people there worship this tree which they use to channel demons, this tree looks like an antenna.  It’s pretty weird, it’s like a weird dream and I went over there and the Lord told me these people worship these other gods and demons.  He told me have them give an offering to Jesus.  So I took up an offering, imagine the poorest of the poor area, but it was to change their worship, to what ever they give they worship.  So he said, “Were going to worship Jesus through the altar call and what happened was before I give the altar call all this gold dust of different colors fell.  People were covered in rainbow colors like dust, like all the different gems.  All these witches got saved, Heavens were cracked wide open and then when I went back to my little cabin…

Sid: And by the way, you just made a profound statement, all these witches got saved, because there are people saying “Gold dust, that’s not from God” well guess what, the devil is not going to throw gold dust that will cause witches to get radically saved!

David: Demons are coming out them too.

Sid: Ha ha.

David: They were screaming out, the glory came, the signs and wonders came and then salvations and deliverances came and then me and the apostle in the cabin were in were visited by angelic visitation until 4:00 AM I had never had an experience like that un until that time.

Sid: Tell me about Bethel.

David: Okay, I took people there where they think was the spot, it is kind of in the middle of nowhere in a settlement area, we lay down, played some music and told people just close your eyes and just see what God show you.  And people were, some were crying, you could hear people being touched.  And once everybody got back up and I said, “What happened?”  One lady said “That I went to Heaven and she was there with me and Jesus told us this,” and I said hold on.  And she was pointing to the lady, but the lady was far away and the lady didn’t hear the conversation.  So we went to the other lady and we said, “What happened to you?”  “I was taken to Heaven; I was with that lady over there.”  And I said, “What did you talk about?”  It was the exact same visitation, same conversation; Jesus had told them the same thing.  So, they were both taken to Heaven, Heavenly realm with the same place, same time together.  So it was just amazing.  That was Genesis 28; it says “This is the gate to Heaven.”  So there are geographical portals on the earth that are still open since bible days.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Speaking of supernatural, I heard music the other day in my car and it, I believe that when you hear this in a little while that you are going to experience healing deliverance like you’ve never heard before. There’s something so supernatural about it. Then I found out the artist, I’d actually never heard of him, but I had heard of the movie “Fireproof”, and it was the theme music from “Fireproof”. And the song, “While I’m Waiting,” you’re probably familiar with that song, John Waller writes music that breaks curses and releases blessings. It’s so wonderful, it’s so supernatural. But I’d like you to experience “While I’m Waiting.”

John: I’m waiting, I’m waiting on you Lord. I am peaceful. I’m waiting on you Lord. Though it’s not easy, no, but faithfully I will wait. Yes, I will wait. And I will move ahead bold and confident taking every step in obedience. While I’m waiting, I will serve you. While I’m waiting, I will worship. While I’m waiting, I will not face reverting the race even while I’m waiting.

Sid: You know, the song, “While I’m Waiting”, it was from the number one independent movie called “Fireproof”. Many of you have seen that movie. And the song, “While I’m Waiting”, it’s really amazing. It’s got a totally different meaning to John Waller. But John, it’s hard to believe, but you got really upset over a girlfriend. You’re just, what, 12 years of age.

John: Twelve years old.

Sid: You get upset. You get so upset that your mother takes you to a doctor. Why?

John: Well you know, there’s history and depression in my family. My grandmother always suffered from depression, my mother. You know, all my life my mother suffered from that. And so when she saw me get upset about losing this first girlfriend that lasted three weeks long, she just turned to my dad and she said, “I can tell he’s got it. He’s got it.” She just thought, hey, you know, he’s showing signs of depression.

Sid: So they take you to the doctor.

John: Take me to the doctor. He spends about 30 or 40 minutes with me and interviews me, a 12-year-old kid, and within a half an hour he diagnoses me as, back then, we called it manic depression. It’s called bipolar disorder today.

Sid: So as young kid, you were on medicine. What was your life like?

John: Well that day he wrote me a prescription and for the next 20 years of my life, I was on every kind of medication that pharmaceutical companies put out, just to try to get it under control.

Sid: Did you ever believe that you would be free?

John: You know, for most of that 20 years I did not believe it. I had learned to accept it. In fact, you know, it’s become such a way of the world. You know, so many people suffer from depression. And so I just figured it was something I was going to have to live with, a crutch, something God would use in my life as a testimony.

Sid: But you know, what you have described is a classic definition of a curse.

John: Absolutely.

Sid: I believe when his mother said, “He’s got it,” that’s when that happened. And for 20 years, he went through this suffering of depression not feeling or even believing that he’d ever be free. At age 23, John got married. But you still suffered with depression.

John: My poor wife. You know, she put up with so much, you know, me sleeping all the time, me going up and down. You know, when I would be on a medic she never knew what I was going to go out and buy. When I was on a low, she never knew when I was going to come out of it. But the Lord knew what He was doing when he gave me my sweet wife, Josie, because she endured that for so many years of our marriage.

Sid: And then things even got worse. You had a record deal. You finally got it.

John: Well almost. I came close. The record deal was, to me, the pinnacle of success. If I could just achieve that, you know, maybe I would be happy then. So almost got it, but then at the last minute it all fell apart. And that’s when I went to my very lowest point in my life.

Sid: Let’s go to a clip by his wife and find out exactly what he was like.

Josie: Well when John and I got married, with his depression, he was on four different types of medication and the emotional rollercoaster, he was up and down all the time. He slept all the time. He took care of our two children because I went to school full time and was working, as well. And I would come home and, you know, the kids weren’t fed. The diapers weren’t changed. It was just like he was a zombie, almost, walking around. You know, he couldn’t focus on anything. It was very difficult and unpeaceful in our home.

SID: I’m with Ruth Fazal here. And Jesus himself gave her a bow of a violin. And when she plays over people, they get physically healed. I mean, she can tell you stories of people with cancer that were physically healed. But the greatest healing is emotional healing. She especially has a burden for Jewish people. I have to believe it has to do with that vision you had. Tell me about it.

RUTH: Since writing the oratorio, everything, it’s constantly growing, God’s heart. I always pray for God’s heart because it expands us. It’s one evening I was in my home with a group of friends and we were just quietly waiting on God. And I’m standing at my keyboard and sort of playing, nothing in particular. And then I start to see, I see this group of people camped in the desert. And it’s nighttime. And then I hear the sound of a trumpet and it’s a distant trumpet, and it comes closer and closer, and closer. And then I look and I see that it’s the Lord Himself and He’s on this huge horse. And He comes to the camp where these people are and He’s saying, “You have to come away. You can’t stay here any longer. You have to wake up. You have to come.” But then it’s also, “Come away with me, my beloved.” It’s so tender. And they come into this realm of glory. I don’t really know how to describe it. It was like bright light, timeless. And there they are and they’re drawn into the center of this place, which is worship, because there’s worship going on and they’re drawn into it. And they’re like, “Oh, I’m so glad I came. This is what I was made for.” And it’s the Lord who was saying, “Comfort my people. Speak tenderly to Jerusalem. Comfort my people. Speak tenderly to Jerusalem.” And one by one, they realize that’s why God woke them up.

SID: Ruth, would you prophesy over me and play what God wants you to play on that violin now.

RUTH: Yes. I’d love to do that. You know, I feel that there’s one word and it’s the word “faithful”. And God is saying to you Sid, you have been so faithful and His heart and His tenderness of His heart towards you is huge. So I just want you to know that.

SID: You’d better watch what you say. Now she’s going to play. She’s going to get me crying.

Sid: It’s a matter of fact we want everyone everywhere to win every battle, sound outrageous all you have to do is conquer fear, that’s really the obstacle to faith.  Every time you hear the Messiah talking about areas of the supernatural, He says, “Fear not or your fear has stopped you.  You know I believe that if we could get rid of fear and understand the victory, I mean really understand the victory we have in the invisible world with God’s word, we could win every battle.  My guest, Michael Galiga has lived a lifetime of learning from God, on how to win personally every battle; how to personally conquer fear; how to personally walk in the victory for success in every arena of his life and he’s been called by God to raise you up to that level.  When you look at the circumstances in life, he pointed out to me that the debt situation in the United States is now worse than 1921, were living in the most perilous times in history and fear is epidemic.  We have broken relationships, unemployment, foreclosures, sickness, and yet I say in spite of all of that this is the greatest time to be alive.  Michael Galiga, I want to take you all the way to the age five, I mean at age five I didn’t know the difference between my left and hand my right hand, and you find yourself being translated; tell me about that.

Michael: Well, Sid, yeah I was five year old and it was a very kind of an unusual a scary time for me.  I was in second grade, in Altivus Elementary School, in Phoenix.  My mother had put me in first grade when I was four and I was smaller than the other kids, I was three months premature when I was born, so I was mentally much slower than them and in some of them were eight nine years old.  So I was intimidated almost anywhere I looked but it was about a twenty minute walk to school each day from my house to the school; and I’m walking to school and I just feel this presence of God.  I knew who He was, I did not know any of His names, I just knew that He was God it was completely clear and I just want to tell your listeners that I’m not better than anybody else, but this happened and I reached out to Him and so as I walked to school, as I played on the playground on recess and when I would walk home, I would worship him in every way that a five year old kid could.  Talk to Him, thank Him, thank Him that He was there and wouldn’t let bad things happen to me and would protect me and help me at least, make my grades and pass, but I loved Him.

Sid: But, did you have any real knowledge of God, I was just kind of curious?

Michael: No, Sid my parents were very good people, but there like most people, what little they knew about God, which was very little, they certainly didn’t know him.  They knew something’s about Him, but we didn’t go to church; we didn’t go to Sunday school; they weren’t anti-religion or anti-Jesus, but they just didn’t know; good people though.

Sid: Okay, so one day at age five, you’re playing marbles, I use to play marbles with the other boys and all of a sudden, as you put it time stood still.

Michael: Yeah, and I mean I’m fifty-four years old and a bunch of folks men and women actually played marbles in the day.  And so I’m playing marbles on this huge sidewalk on this second grade classroom and I’m standing up bit watching my buddies play marbles and as you recall, you probably had all your marbles in a sock.  So I’m holding my sock and all the guys are down shooting all there marbles and cat eyes and steles, it’s like when you’ve had surgery and the anesthesiologist looks at you and says, “Okay, count from ten to one, you got ten, nine and it’s all over and your gone.”  And that’s the way it was; one second I was there and another second I was just not there anymore.  The thing that you would call Mike Galiga was gone and then it felt like seven or eight minutes and I was back and I was standing right where I was before and I Iooked around at my buddies and them to go  “Wow, were have you been and what happened?”  And they didn’t say anything, but I felt strangely stronger, much older, in fact I felt like, I didn’t know what I felt until I turned about fifty-three years old and we can get to that story in a minute.  The loop closes at fifty-three, but I felt much stronger, much wiser, still five years old though, but you know I went somewhere Sid, and I knew I went somewhere.

Sid: At that time did you know where you went; did you have any clues where you were going?

Michael: No Sir, I knew that I was gone.  I knew that I went with God somewhere, I knew that I had been gone a lot longer than…

Sid: How did you know? I would have thought, well maybe I imagined it.

Michael: Well, one of the things that happened Sid, is about every six months, for about the time I was five until I was fifty-three, about every six months, God would show up, a few times audibly, and I know that sounds crazy to some people but it happened almost always in my heart enough to write down and this is the word’s He would say, every six months for all those years.  Mike, “Don’t forget that day,” that’s all He would say.  Sometimes I would weep, and go, “Oh Lord, I could never forget that day!”  But every six month’s He would show up and say that.

Sid: And then briefly at age fourteen, you had a very unusual experience with your dog, Dobie.

Michael: Yes, I did of course a lot of families can relate your animals are like family members and Dobie was no exception of that rule.  And he just one day ran off as he did sometimes and just didn’t come back and so I fired up my little Honda trail, my little minibike and tank after tank of gas would search for him.  And I had this elaborate plan and I had a grid sector and I searched everywhere, but the point of the story is that after I think it was after four or five days I just cried out to God.  I was in this field, not far from our house and I cried out with every cell of my body and I just said, “God please help me find my dog.”  I was exhausted and it had been so long that he’s probably dead or run over by a car and not coming back and so as soon as those words came out of my mouth, I had completely surrendered and given up, that was it.  And then there was this voice and it was audible Sid and it was one word, “Stop.”  And it was crystal clear and it was extremely powerful, so much so it shocked me and my hand went off the gas and I gently put the break on an I stopped and as soon as I did about twenty-five feet away there was this giant bush, kind of like a tree type bush, but it was probably twelve, thirteen foot tall, ten foot wide and I heard this whimpering coming from inside the bush.  Now if I hadn’t stopped, I would have never heard it.  So I threw the minibike down, ran over inside the bush and there was Dobie inside the bush; I fought my way inside the bush and he had run away with his leach on, his leach had wrapped around the trunk of this bush.  And I let him loose and he ran home and we had this big party because you know, he had come home.  But I never have forgotten that day.

Sid: So, it’s almost like God’s fingerprint was on everything going on in your life, yet you really did not know Him until you were sixteen and you literally went to a Fellow of Christian Athletes Meeting and got a hold of a track.  Anything supernatural happen or just you finally found the God that’s been dealing with you and you received Him.

Michael: Well, you know the tragedy in all this is and it ends in triumph that when I was sixteen years old and I had never heard about Jesus.  I never heard that He was our Savior and He His blood washed away all your sins, I had never heard that in the United State of America and sixteen year old kid and not at school, didn’t go to church, nice parents, wonderful home.  I had never heard it and this O.U. football player named, Joe Weily came to my high School one night with eleven other O.U. football players and he was everything that I would ever want to be.  He was handsome, he was a four point, CPA student dating a beautiful girl getting ready to get married, and was an All American Football player for O.U.  So he explained to me that night all of this and I accepted Jesus that night.  There were no lightning bolts or anything, there was just total assurance, I had found what I had been looking for.

Sid: You found the God that helped you find your dog when you were fourteen!

Michael: I did, he saved my dog and then He saved me.

Sid: And you’ve had quite a successful career in real estate.  You worked for some of the top corporations in the world.  You consulted for over twenty-five years at the highest levels of corporate real estate nationally and internationally.  Tell me who a few of your clients are of people that you work for.

Michael: Well, out of law school I went to work for Sam Walton and Bud Walton, the founders of Wal-Mart Stores and they and they have passed away now but they and some other people trained me and took me under their wings; and what I didn’t learn in law school, they taught me at Wal-Mart and I bought land bought Wal-Mart stores around the country.

Sid: I bet Sam Walton taught you a lot of good things!

Michael: He did and you know he taught me to pay attention to the little things and the big things take care of themselves.  That was one of the first lessons that he taught me.  And it really served me well, but he was a wonderful man and he treated me very, very well.

Sid: Well, you talked about when you were age five you were translated; you had this vision, you went, time stood still; you went to places you didn’t know what happened, you didn’t know why, but you had constantly think about this event that happened at age five.  And then one day, God explained to you what occurred, tell me.

Michael: Yeah, He did you know I’m fifty-three years old and in fact I’m standing in the same office where this occurred at the moment and one minute I’m working on a real estate here by myself, there is no one else in the office and Sid, it happened the way, that I’m about to describe it.  God’s presence showed up in my office, now I’m a businessman Sid, I’m not a preacher, I’m not an evangelist, I never went to seminary, I’m a normal businessman, pretty good at it and God’s presence shows up in my office, it filled up my office, you couldn’t see it but it was just heavy and it just filled it.  And I just went on the other side of my desk, I got on the floor with my hands out and my face on the floor and His presence just came upon me and I cried out to Him.  And I’d never asked Him, not one time what happened when I was five and it was just the words that were pushed out of my mouth.  And I said, God if you don’t tell me what you landed and what you put on me that day when I was five, I am going to die on the carpet right now.  And then His response was; “Now you’re ready.”

Sid: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, I recommend, I tell you I’ve read this book on the plane going to Israel and I couldn’t put the book down…