Sid Roth

Sid: Well, after listening to David Jones this week I am sure you’re red hot for the Messiah. But something happened to me and I had nothing with the open vision that David had, but almost simultaneous to him having the open vision of The Day of the Lord. Where he was literally in that place, he saw it, he felt it, he smelled it. Everyone of his senses was activated there.  I had a dream, and in the dream I was told 3 times, Jesus is coming back soon, He said “I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon,” 3 times. “I’m coming back soon,” and I have to tell you I wasn’t even thinking about that. I mean I’m kind of like in the Bible which talks about we’re going about our regular business and then all of a sudden He’s there. I mean I thought maybe a couple of hundred years, maybe 50 years. But that’s not what He said to me.  He said “I’m coming back soon.”  And you know you would have to be dead not to realize that everything on planet earth is speeding up. I mean take a few things and look at the prophecies of what to look for “It’ll be like the days of Noah” the Bible says.” The acceptability in my lifetime of homosexuality as being acceptable and taught in schools beyond my imagination. Now I have to tell you God sent His Son to die for those that are homosexual but the definition of marriage is beyond the pale of what’s going on as normal. The proliferation of pornography, so many people are being addicted right now, where there are demonic spirits behind them, end time demonic spirits.  The proliferation of nuclear weapons, look what’s going on in Iran, in North Korea, I mean these are lunatics and we’re letting them develop their atomic weapons and we know what they’re going to use it for.  The Bible says lawlessness shall increase, and look what we’re seeing with the drug traffic, with the sex trade, even using young children. Unbelievable how… but it’s happening so quickly it’s not like the boiling frog on a slow boil it’s a rapid boil that ‘s going on right now. But the Bible says “There is one sign that has not occurred that is going to release the judgment of God on planet earth.” And that sign is found in Joel Chapter 3 verse 1 to 3. “For behold in those days and at that time when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem.” Well that means Israel must be a nation, that means the Jewish people must be in the land of Israel.  Have you looked? You can’t read a newspaper today without seeing something about Israel, something about Jerusalem. We’re back look at what Joel says that is a sign. He says “When that occurs I’ll gather all nations and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of (and get this) and God calls the Jewish people in the land of Israel My people, My heritage Israel.” And I’m reminded of Zechariah in the Living Bible it says “He that touches Israel is the same as someone that pokes their finger in God’s eye.” And it says “Whom they have scattered the people the nations that have been scattered to the nations of the earth.”  It says “Whom they have scattered among the nations.”  And here’s the sign, “They have also divided up the My land.” So what is the sign that will bring the release of God’s judgment “Dividing up the land of Israel.”  Now Jesus said to watch the fig tree, the fig tree is a type of Israel. Listen to this Luke 21 verse 29 to 32.  “Then, He (That’s Jesus) spoke to them a parable (Israel and all of the trees the other nations). “When they are already budding,” when Israel is modern day Jewish nation you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near.  So you also when you see these things happening know that the kingdom of God is near.  Assuredly this is Jesus speaking to you right now “I say to you this generation, the generation that saw the fig tree blossom; what’s the fig tree (Israel) what is blossom? That means the Jews are returning to the nation it’s Jewish nation. We are told that assuredly I say to you this generation will by no means pass till all things take place. And then in Luke 21 verse 34 and 35 but “Take heed to yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the cares of this life. And that day comes on you unexpectedly for it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.”  And Jesus said “Just before He comes there is going to be a removal of spiritual scales on the eyes of Jewish people.”  In fact these are His words in Matthew 23:39 “You shall see Me no more till you say “Baruch haBah Shem Adonai” Blessed is He who Comes in the Name of the Lord.” I found this unbelievable, I got a copy of the Times of Israel as the electronic secular publication newspaper dated November 20, 2013 this the headline of a secular newspaper coming from Israel. “Has the time come to accept Messianic Jews?” And then it sights the pew survey “Pew says 34% of Americans think that you can be Jewish and believe in Jesus. So why doesn’t the established Jewish Community embrace them?”  I mean I’d never thought I’d see this from a traditional Jewish newspaper.  You see this is ground work that is about ready to happen for the greatest revival the world has ever seen. And what is the greatest revival?  It’s found in Amos the 9^th chapter 11 – 13. “On that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David” the word tabernacle in Hebrew means house or family. So God is saying on that day I’m going to raise up the tabernacle of David, the family of David which has fallen. “And they may possess the remnant of Edom and all of the Gentiles that are called by My name says the Lord who does this thing.”  So somehow the Jewish people are going to reach multitudes of gentles when they become believers in Jesus and then it describes a revival like the world has never seen. The harvest is so great Amos says, you won’t be able to get all the fruit until it’s next year’s time to have a harvest. There will be more people saved than churches will be able to hold them. And this explaining to you the great mystery that Paul explains to us in Ephesians the 2^nd chapter verse 14 and 15 and 22.  It’s talking about Jesus. “He has broken down the middle wall of separation so as to create in Himself one new man from the two” thus making peace, you know the Hebrew word for peace, Shalom.  It means completeness as if to say if the two do not become one He’s talking about Jew and Gentile. The presence of God won’t have a complete resting place, but if the two become one. Verse 22 says “In whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” When? When the middle wall of separation comes down and the two Jew and Gentile become one.  Now you can understand the prodigal son parable.  The older son, he represents the Gentile Christian working hard in the vineyard for his father.  Who is well pleased with him, the younger son rejected his inheritance, wasteful living, wasteful spending; wine, woman and song, bankrupt. And then he comes to his senses and in Luke chapter 15 it says you know he’s feeding the pigs and he says “The pigs are eating better than I am but I know what I am going to do. It says “He arose and came to his father, but when he was still a great way off his father saw him and had compassion and ran and fell on his neck. This is the Jewish person coming home to Jesus, the younger son and he kissed him. And the son said to him ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight and I’m no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe and put a ring on his hand and scandals on his feet.’”  I wish I had more time to explain this. 

Sid: You know I’ve got to interrupt this right now because God is telling me right now that people’s spines are being healed right now.  And backs and pain and necks and any pain it’s gone in Yeshua’s Name.  Holy Spirit You interrupt me anytime You want to; I’ve got on the telephone from their home in Casa Grande, Arizona, Pat and Patty McEnnerney.  And Pat you and your wife move in such extraordinary power.  And one of the keys that opened this up was dying to self.  Well, listen there are many believers that say “I’d like to but I can’t; what do I do, what does this die to self mean?  I mean it’s all God He’s got to do it; do I have a part?”

Pat:  Hallelujah, everybody has a part.  Let me just share quickly consecration is the key.  And if you take 2^nd Corinthians 3:16, 17, 18 is a concentration prayer and it talks about the glory in you as looking in the mirror.  And the last of that says “And by the Holy Ghost.”  When Adam and Eve when they sinned man fell back in himself and split, separated, the raiment the glory of God.  And they lost their heavenly state and Jesus restored us as before sin.  Hallelujah and so we have a heavenly state and earthly state and the soul has to be restored.  Your spirit when you receive Jesus is instantly recreated and the demonic nature is removed from it.  And then you have to put on the mind of Christ; then you have to with trembling and fear walk out your salvation.  Many don’t understand that.

Sid: This trembling and fear doesn’t even compute in 21^st century American Christianity.

Pat:  We’ve lost it.  The fear of God must be embraced and cried out for.  You must beckon the Lord to draw you into Him. You know it’s His desire.

Sid: You know get practical; what should someone do?  A-B-C.

Pat:  ABC repent, Lord forgive me I’m blind in areas, I see that I want to be holy and pure and I see that I’m not.  Holy Spirit I give you permission to destroy and remove every vice; to remove all hardness of my eyes enlighten my understanding to the Rhema living Word Jesus.

Sid: Why do we have to give God permission; why doesn’t He just take it?

Pat:  Awe, that’s the beautiful thing of the gospel; the love that God offers must be received.  He’s knocking at the door; you must open it.  You know that is a choice; God made a choice that those that rejected Him.  And that’s the power of this wonderful love you must receive it.  God doesn’t come upon you and take your will away; because that isn’t how God works.  It’s a love that will not offend you and making you believe and step into.  It’s a love that will bring judgment to all men; no doubt about it.  But it must be entered into by saying “Here I am take me.”

Sid: You know I’m convinced that when we get to heaven the big thing that Jesus will say to us is “Did you walk in love?”

Pat:  That’s it, you know in the parable Jesus says “Friend,” The parable of the wedding feast.  “Friend, where’s your wedding garment?”  Well God, Jesus the Father, is talking to a believer that’s cast out.  I don’t believe that he’s cast out to hell, but I think that God is calling each and every person that we’re all called.  You know our ministry is called in demonstration of phenomenal things they’re just phenomenal the Name of Jesus is.

Sid: Alright I want people to understand the power that you and your wife operate in.  Tell me you know that God has really used you with people with AIDS tell me one person, perhaps someone dying of AIDS.

Pat:  How about 3 people.

Sid: Okay.

Pat:  In the hospital our pastor was giving us a ride…

Sid: Look give me 100 people; just be healed. (Laughing)

Pat:  He’d received a call, Pastor Tom had received a call and he said “Pat would you mind stopping at Fairfax Hospital this is in Washington D.C.  There’s a young man there with a family that the doctor gives about 12 hours to live and he has AIDS.  And I said “Yeah, you know let’s stop we’ve got time.”  And as we were walking into the hospital I was crying out to the Lord “Dear God.”  And the Lord said to me “I have sent you to set the captives free.”  And so they would only allow but one person in the room and I walked in and he was a precious Hispanic man.  And I said “Ormando, I am a bond servant, a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, He sent me in here and to lay my hand upon you and God will raise you up out of this bed and He’s going to heal you in 3 minutes.”  And he had these huge tuberculosis tumors, and folks I don’t know of many people that have not seen or smelled death this man was gray and he could barely open up his eyes he was in excruciating pain but he had no breath. These tumors were pressing on his throat and his lungs.  As I laid my hand on the tumor it vaporized and there was 4 of them.  And pretty soon he started screaming because his breath was coming back. And then I rebuked the spirit of death of AIDS and the spirit of pain.  Laid my hands on his forehead and anointed him and he leaped out of his gurney, literally it was awesome.  And he threw his hands up in the air and started jumping and repenting and shouting the Lordship of Jesus.  Now this young man was radically raised from the dead, I mean he was still breathing but he was as good as dead. Another man…

Sid: But did you see the tumors vaporize before your eyes?

Pat:  Absolutely it was like my hand touched it and then fell all the way to the normal chest.  They were as big as two fists together.

Sid: How long did all of this take?

Pat:  Under 3 minutes.

Sid: Hmm.

Pat: The next man was a young man who came to a healing conference that I had in Baltimore; he sat in the backroom he was just like a walking skeleton.  Many times God’s speaking to me as I preach and so I’m waiting for the Holy Ghost to move people, I’m always waiting for the Holy Spirit to do it.

Sid: Me too, and I get confused when I’m trying to talk my thoughts and listen to God at the same time.  I have to stop; God you’re in charge.

Pat:  So, finally this young man came up and started to cry and I said “Don’t be ashamed come here.”  I said “Are you ready to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior?”  He had no faith; I mean he had faith but he had no expectations of God healing him period.  But he received Jesus and when I lead somebody in the prayer to receive the Messiah they receive all the gifts and they get baptized with His fire and the power of God came and he fell back on the floor over the tremendous power of God and just laid there.  And I leaned over and loosed the spirit of AIDS or death off of him, cast it off.  And I said “Young man, by the strips of Jesus Christ this very day you’ve been healed, and 45 minutes later or so he was able to get off the floor.  And I said “Now, go get your blood tested and the Lord’s healed you.”  He had an appointment on Monday or Tuesday I forget, this was a Sunday, and they got the results back a week after that and he said “The doctor kept running in and out of the room.”  (Laughing) There was no trace, and he had a double testing, not only did he have late stage HIV but he also had contracted brain AIDS induced meningitis and there was nothing, pure.  The blood was absolutely totally pure, the young man’s put 65 pounds on. And then a few weeks ago we were in South Carolina in our tent and Henry was a street person; a precious black man and I’ll never forget Henry’s smile because all he had was teeth on the side.  He was just precious.  And he came up, and he sat in the back and finally after preaching we were ministering and he came up.  And there was just tears and sobbing and he said “Could God forgive me again, could I come back?”  And I said “Oh Henry, how the Lord loves you.”  So I led him in a prayer to recommit his life and I laid my hands on him and I rebuked that demon of AIDS. Henry had sores all over his body, all over puss, it was awful.  And he had come to the meeting evidently to see if he could get $15 for a bus ticket if you could image this to go to his mother’s funeral.  Pastor Glen the next day gave him a ride to the bus depot and Henry sat there smiling.  And said Pastor Glen, “Have you notice anything?”  And Pastor Glen said “No Henry what are you talking about?”  And he said “Look, I have no more sores on my body, that’s the Jesus I know.”

Sid: Hm. Let me ask you something, have you ever seen a Messianic Miracle?  A Messianic Miracle is someone born blind that gets their sight.

Pat:  Yes.

Sid: Tell me one.

Pat:  This year in Diwali, Africa there was a sister that came up in a public meeting to receive prayer and she was partly paralyzed and she couldn’t walk.  And the Lord immediately healed her; I mean immediately healed her.  And this was a French speaking country, and so I don’t speak French so as I’m observing her not using my prophetic gifts I realized that there’s no pupil there’s nothing.  And so through the interpreter I said “Ask this dear sister if she would like Jesus to heal her blindness?”  And she had to think about it a minute and finally she said “Oui.”  So I could just feel the increase of the presence of God so I laid my hand on her left eye.  And I said “Father, in Jesus Name I ask for a creation miracle and I pulled my hand away.”  And I said to the interpreter “Tell her to open her eyes.” And so she opened her eyes and covered the right eye and I said “What is it that she sees?”  And through the interpreter she says “You look like a tree.”  And so I got pretty excited about that so I prayed again and this time I said “Father I thank you for the completed created miracle in Jesus Name.”  Holy Spirit I charge You and force the Covenant to come to life.” And I pulled my hand away quickly because I’d been waiting to see myself; God I’ve seen tremendous miracles but I’ve never seen an eye recreated.”  And as quick as quick as I pulled my hand away I saw a cloud a vapor cloud form around, swirl around her left eye.  And I saw the pupil being created (Laughing).

Sid: My goodness we’re out of time today but tomorrow’s broadcast I’m going to have Patrick and his wife Patty pray for you.  Get ready for a miracle Roman’s 11 says “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” What are you doing; this is the time that the spiritual blindness has coming off the eyes of the Jewish people.  This is the time for the emergence of one new man.  This is the time for the race to save the world.

Sid: My guest Doug Jones is a teachers teacher; he’s a Professor out at Rhema Bible College in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  For 9 years he taught in their healing school; where people came from all over the world with terminal diseases.  He actually lived for a season with Kenneth Hagin in his home. And Kenneth Hagin of course has gone home to be with the Lord. But Doug of everything you’ve learned from Dr. Hagin what was the most important thing in reference to healing?

Doug: There was a principal that Brother Hagin would always say after he ministered to the sick.  And sometimes even before.  Well, in most cases before but sometimes he’d talk about it after-wards.  He’d say these words “The moment I lay my hands upon the healing power of God will be administered to your body but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  I want to say that again Sid; I can’t tell you how many times I heard him say these words. “The moment I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body; but what you do with it after that is up to you.” For years I heard him say that and I would travel with him from 1975 until 1979 I pretty well traveled with him everywhere he went here in the states.  Now he did take a trip to South Africa that I did not go with him on.  But he would minister to the sick, hundreds of people and he would say that over and over. “What you do with it after that it’s up to you.”  Finally that statement got to me and I thought to myself “Well, what are you supposed to do with it after that; I mean what’s all this.”  And I went back through some of brother Hagin’s teaching in his transcripts and I found a transcript dated January 8, 1982 brother Hagin was teaching in Healing School.  Now I’m going to read this word for word it’s a transcript; it’s not an edited thing so it’s going to sound a little different because it is a word for word. But I want to read this to you can see.  “I’m talking about once that healing power has been administered through the laying on of hands or through the handkerchief or apron placed upon your body; that healing power goes into your body and it begins to work but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  I’m quoting Brother Hagin I was preaching in Beaumont, Texas in January of 1953 and a lady brought her daughter; oh between 8 or 9 years old.  She had polio when she was about 3 years old, never had walked another step encased in braces.  She carried that little 8 year old girl with those braces into the healing line.  I’m sitting in a chair on the platform laying hands on folks.  I took the child in my hands and held her; I laid my hands on those little limbs. They were no bigger than just bone and skin.  I felt that healing power go into her; oh my heart went out to that little girl then. My daughter that you know was much older than that and a mother herself.  (And she was at the same age at that time; identically at the same age about 8 or 9 and he’s talking about Pat his daughter.)  And I thought what if that was my daughter; I learned by speaking to the woman that it was her only child; her only child.  Now I just had one daughter and one boy and I thought (Oh, my God.)  And I said to the congregation what about if this was your child reach your hands out with compassion; reach your hands out with faith towards this child.  See and we ought to always get involved in this; it ought not to just be Brother Hagin, oh no, no, no. Read again in James chapter 5 “He says pray one for another that you may be healed”  we ought to get involved.  And so I said to the congregation reach your hand out in faith, reach out in compassion towards this little child; this little girl; this little child; what if this was your child polio stricken?”  There seemed to be no immediate change; oh I had such a strong anointing.  I said to the mother “I don’t know everything but I know this “The Lord told me in the vision that when that power leaves your hand and goes into them you know that they are healed, that’s as far as God is concerned it’s done.”  I said “If it will help you any at all, I have had a stronger anointing ministering to this child than I had with anybody in this whole meeting; that anointing went into your child’s limbs and into her body.”  Well, and this is important Sid, I never tell people to take off their braces or to get up out of the chair or anything unless the Lord particularly leads me or sometimes He tells me too.  Sometimes you’ll just have an inward intuition but if you don’t I just leave them in their own chair. It’s not according to my faith Jesus didn’t say to the woman with the issue of blood “Daughter it’s my faith that made you whole.”  He said “Daughter your faith made you whole.”  And so I had no further leading and I just handed the child back to her mother and she took her into her arms and went back to her pew. And then we finished the healing line and they went home.  At the 10:00 service the next morning the pastor came running up to me because I stayed there in his home. I was in the bathroom shaving; I could hear his voice you know and I knew that he was quite excited about something. Brother Hagin, Brother Hagin! “You know that lady that was there last night with that little child girl with polio and all the braces.” And I said “Yeah,  ‘Well, she’s out there, the braces are off and the child is healed.’”  He had the woman to testify and then that night the same night the same thing, the girl walked up and down the aisle all around where everybody could see her.  The little limbs you see had completely gown to the same size as the one as the other and it was several inches shorter; it was just as long and just as big around as the other limb.  Well, the mother said “How many of you were here last night?”  I guess around 90% of the crowd lifted their hands, she said “You saw what Brother Hagin did and said and so on.”  My husband and I went home by that time we had gotten home the child was asleep because it was late.  So I just put her in bed she was asleep.  I got up the next morning and got her husband off to work, then about 8:00 in the morning she was still asleep and usually let her sleep because she is the between 8 or 9 years old.  Because she’s never gone to school she can’t walk so I just let her sleep and so I went in as usual as my custom was to give her a bath.  And that’s the only time I remove her braces is when I put her in the bath tub.  So I drew the bath water then I went into the bedroom awakened her, picked her up carried her into the bathroom; removed her night clothes, took off the braces.  She’s not any better, not any better, I put her in the bath tub and she’s 8 years of age but because of her crippled condition I have to bath her.  I got down on my knees and I begin to bathe her and I begin to cry. The tears fell off of my face into the water; I said “Oh God, why, why, why, I wanted my baby, I wanted her to be healed; she’s my only child and I wanted her to be healed so badly.  And she said “Something on the inside of me.”  See, she’s born again and the Spirit-Filled Christian really, it was her spirit, the Holy Ghost in her spirit.  Something in the inside of me just spoke up and said “Do you believe that Brother Hagin just stood there and in other words just sat there because I was sitting in a chair when I laid my  hands upon her; ‘ Do you believe that he sat there on the platform and told a bare-face lie; he said the power of God went into that child; do you think he did; do you believe that?’ No she said “I don’t believe that he lied; I believe that he told the truth.”  She said “Something on the inside of me said, ‘Do you believe that Brother Hagin is a prophet of God a man of God?”  And I said  tried up my tears and I said “Oh God, forgive me of my doubts.” She she’s born again, Spirit-Filled member of the full gospel church but forgive me of my doubts, forgive me, I repent.  She said out loud “I believe that Brother Hagin is a man of God (see she’s saying it with her mouth Sid) I believe that he’s called of God, I believe that he’s anointed of God; I believe that he’s a prophet of God.  I believe that he told the truth; I don’t believe that he lied.” I believe. Here it is “What you do with it after that is up to you.”  That’s what we’re talking about, “I believe that the power flowed into my child; I believe that power is working in my child’s limb now.”  See Sid that’s what Brother Hagin is talking about “What you do with it after that.” You have to believe that’s it’s present and that it’s working mightily in your body.  Listen to what she said “I believe that that power flowed into my child, I believe that that power is working in my child’s limbs now.  See when she said that something like dry sticks popping. I looked down at the bathtub and that limb straightened right out; right there in front of my eyes the child was perfectly healed.  Now what am I saying to you?  Is the healing power (this is Brother Hagin now.)  Is the healing power of God often times is ministered to a person’s body, that’s the reason sometimes it’s 10 days, that’s the reason sometimes it’s 3 days, that’s the reason sometimes it’s not always instant.  The healing power of God is administered to a person’s body but the healing process will not be consummated until faith is exercised. “Are you listening to me; are you listening to me?”  What he was talking about was simply this Sid, is that that woman in order to keep that power working in her child’s body she had to believe that it was administered; and she had to believe that it was working mightily.  Brother Hagin would say these words “The moment I lay my hands on you the healing power of God will be administered to your body but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  What happens is this Sid is that people are exiting prayer lines and because they don’t see an instantaneous manifestation then they never consider that the healing power of God was administered.

Sid: Many times I prayed for people; I have felt even though as you have explained in your books, “It doesn’t matter what you feel.”  But I have felt the anointing go into the person; the person feels the anointing and guess what they’re not healed.  What you’re saying is “That’s how we are missing it.”

Doug:  Because they didn’t do anything with it, they didn’t believe that the anointing was administered and they didn’t believe that it was working mightily.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to hear God’s voice for themselves.  I can’t think of anything for important for you than for you to hear God’s voice and do it.  That’s why I have Richard Mull on this week.  And Richard you were a nice graduate of a Baptist School; you worked in denominational churches.  No one anywhere taught you how to hear God’s voice; the most important thing.  How did you and your wife begin to hear God’s voice?

Richard:  Great question and it was you know such an interesting process. You know I teach people now to hear God in a matter of minutes and almost 100% hear God. But when you don’t have a mentor sometimes, you run on almost by trial and error but I was… the very first time that it became desperate I was beginning to really seek God in the Word for hours a day fasting and praying.  I wanted to know how to hear God’s voice. I thought alright I’m going to walk up to total strangers like Cecil and give them a word from God.  And a couple times where I felt pretty sure I had…

Sid: By the way let me just interject something here.  I work a lot with tradition Jewish people and I try to show them.  And I have what I consider the greatest proof imaginable that Jesus is the Messiah.  But there is almost like spiritual scales over their eyes and they don’t hear me.  But one word from God; one miracle, one sign and wonder and the scale just disappears and then they hear the truth.  And they receive Jesus; this is so important would you agree Richard?

Richard:  Oh yeah, oh yeah.  What’s interesting is how many people when you hear God and you give them a word from God it touches people more deeply than anything I could say.

Sid:  Okay, tell me the steps that occurred for you to hear God for yourself.

Richard: At first I wanted to do it like Cecil because that was my only experience. And I had things that came to me but I was too afraid to go up to a total stranger and try to do the same thing.  And that’s kind of like jumping into the deep end of the pool and so I would ask God’s forgiveness.  I’d think I had something to say to someone but how would I know that this is God?  So it began for me when I was doing a college retreat; I was seeing so much in scripture I was fasting and praying and crying out to God every day because I wanted to hear His voice.  I wanted experience God the way Jesus taught His disciples.  I had been asked to speak at this college retreat.  And this girl began to pull her shirt and pull her hair and rise.”  And I was just a baby in hearing God’s voice and I had been in the “Is this God is this me?”  I didn’t have the luxury of figuring that out so I said “God Show me what to do.”

Sid: This was a demon manifesting; did you realize that?

Richard: I had never seen that before; it was a Baptist College Retreat at a mega church and so I had to do what I believed was coming from God.  And the girl got freedom; and I turned around and explained to the group what happened and why I did what I did like I understood it.  But it was like I knew this is not coming from me even the explanation was not coming from me.  I had never experienced anything like that before; I was actually thinking I hope somebody takes good notes because this is really good stuff and I won’t remember it.

Sid: What exactly did you say to this girl that was writhing with a demon controlling her?

Richard:  I was led to pray in the Name of Jesus; the blood for Jesus I was saying things in relation to those… first of all you have good theological training you know that those are two important truths but they’ve never been practical.  They’ve always been theoretical and theological and right now I need what works.   Well, it does work and if you have time to think about it you may come up with it on your own but I was totally at a loss.  But the Holy Spirit said “There is power in My Name, rebuke it in My Name.”  And so I rebuked the spirit in the Name of Jesus and I couldn’t tell you the words that I said but it had to do with covering her in the blood of Jesus Christ and forgiveness that is in the blood of Jesus.  And that breaks the rights that the enemy has and now I do all the time and I understand it and no why it works and how it works. And then it was just I’m saying what I believe the Spirit of God is leading me to say.  I did feel prompted to pray in tongues and I knew that I was at a Baptist group and I’d never done anything in tongues publicly and I was like “Oh thanks a lot God.”

Sid: In addition to that you were shouting something; what were you shouting?

Richard:  When I finished the tongues I felt impressed to shout freedom in Jesus Name and that was one that I really had a hard time with.  Because I thought I must have been watching some TV evangelist I had to pick this up somewhere.

Sid: That’s not you is it? (Laughing)

Richard:  Naw, I had never done that before.

Sid: In a Baptist Church! (Laughing)

Richard: Yep, and so I did it in obedience to the Lord.  And then it was like I had understanding of the meaning of everything that I did and could explain why I did it.  But I knew that that understanding wasn’t coming from me; it was coming by the Spirit even that.

Sid: Even more important what was going on with this woman?

Richard: She got free; she actually immediately after I shouted freedom in Jesus Name she looked at me and put her head down like she was majorly embarrassed because all this happened in front of everybody.  Beautiful young woman she was the pastor’s daughter’s best friend.  And so I pulled her aside and she said “This is only happened before where the presence of God was and I go to a psychiatrist; I’m on medication for the voices but as soon as you walked in the room the voices went crazy.”

Sid: So in other words demons go crazy when the presence of God is maybe that’s why in a lot of churches the demons you don’t even know that people have demons.  I mean does that make sense? (Laughing)

Richard:  She said “I picked this church because I knew the power of God wasn’t here.”

Sid: That’s why she went there (Laughing) but she got apprehended by the Spirit of God.  Then from that point you started hearing God’s voice but did you know it was God’s voice?

Richard:  It wasn’t long; you know it was because I began to have people contact me and want ministry.  And I thought “You don’t want ministry from me, I don’t know what I’m doing.” And I tried to find someone else who would do it. And when I would minister to people God would show up; He would show me things, He would tell me things.  And it was always I felt like I’d leave floating off the ground because I would know stuff about people’s past; I would hear things by the Spirit.  And it helped me to grow in confidence; but that was the only place that I listened.

Sid: You know I happen to believe what you’re describing to me is normal and what most people experience is not normal.  I happen to believe the first believers in the Messiah they were all normal.  This was normal for them. How about someone that’s saying right now “Oh, Richard Mull he just has a special gift from God; I can’t do it.” What would you say to them?

Richard:  I’d teach them the most… I’d teach kids how to handle God’s voice when they hear God; Baptist youth groups.  I’ve taught them, every kid in the Youth Group hears God.  It isn’t rocket science I think it is supposed to be the norm.  In fact on that college retreat I called it Extreme Christianity and it was really a play on words.  I used a lot of videos from extreme sports.  But what we would call extreme was the norm.  “How many of you want to be a normal Christian.”  And every kid in the room stood up and I was shocked because I had painted a new picture.  And the funny thing is I had never cast one demon out; I had never experienced what I was looking at in the book of Acts.  But I was calling them to that type of Christian life.

Sid: Your heart when that was going on your heart had to be just beating; that first deliverance you were involved in.  You must have been scared out of your socks.

Richard:  I wanted to find the exit, yeah I was ready to leave because I was like “God not here; not now.”  That was exactly what I was asking for He was doing but it was also very inconvenient because He hadn’t taught me how to do it.  It was on the job training so it was interesting because for six months if I was leading worship somewhere someone would manifest demons.  If I was preaching somewhere someone would manifest demons.  It was like; it was like God said “You want me to disciple you, you want Me to teach you? I’m going to do it.”

Sid: Okay, our time is slipping away and this Bible is too important.  I want people to understand it.  Out of curiosity why did you pick the NET, the New English Translation for your Bible?

Richard:  The New English translation was one of the more accurate translations; it was Dallas Theological so we wanted to use one of the versions that was highly valued for its authenticity, so that’s part of why it was chosen.  The color coding goes back to first of all the words that God Himself spoke.  I grew up with the Red Letter Edition and the Words that Jesus spoke.  I began to trace every time that God spoke; I had no idea how much scriptures was God speaking first person.  So we colorize that purple to represent His majesty.  Then we got every angel dream, angel and vision colorized in blue because God speaks through messengers.  And then we have scripture colorized brown where God speaks through a human component and brings the message from God but through a human being.  And then we’ve got yellow for every miracle because action speaks louder than words.  And God has often speaking, he’s reveling himself through the miracles signs and wonders.  And finally green represents every time the scripture talks about God speaking about God’s voice.   So it could be as simple as the Lord said or the voice of the Lord is powerful.

Sid: But you know what I’ve released everything supernatural you have color coded in this Bible. So you’ll have a laminated bookmark which tells you what each color means and when you get to that you mediate on it and literally the Word is going to become flesh.  And everything you’re reading about you’re going to start doing but you also need instructions.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Sr. Pastor of Miracle Place Church in Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana.   We found out that Ricky was in what TV portrays as the fun life.  He started out with thing like alcoholic and marijuana and quickly moved into hard drugs and shooting heroin, and then became a dealer. He got arrested a number of times and he escaped from jail; they were going to put him in prison.  And he was running from the police in the woods for 56 days.  He had no water; he had no food; I mean the things he had to go through to survive it’s unbelievable.  And he finally went to his mother’s house and his mother didn’t even recognize him because he had dropped so much weight. And he had been just living in the wild like a wild person for 56 days.  And so the police caught him, he was booked; he was facing life in prison.  He’s in the cell and officer’s that was involved in that chase trying to find him when he was in the woods walks in.  His name is Officer James and he sees him in the cell and he gives him a Bible. What happened next Ricky?

Ricky: Sid I’m hopeless my friend; I’m facing a life sentence in Angola. Twenty-two years old watched my whole life flash before me because of chasing the wrong things in life; drugs and alcohol; the party life.  And so here I am looking for answers; their talking about giving me a life sentence and I realized that I wasted my life.  Some kind of way that I’ve wasted my life; I’ve gotten off I’m chasing the wrong thing.  I’m doing the wrong thing and now I’m in jail so I started looking for answers.  And so I think that every person needs to be honest with themselves and asking this one question.  “What in the world is the vision of life? What is the purpose for life?”  And that’s what I started asking myself. I got real here I am in jail and this is reality and this is serious. And so I started looking for answers and Ernest James the Jailer; and by the way he is the one that chased me across the field.  He brought me a Bible back and he said Ricky he says, “Every question that you need answered the answer will be found in this book,” and man I was desperate; just desperate. So I started reading the Bible. And as I started reading the Bible  I realized that life was really about serving God and was really about serving people and doing that which was right.  And so the more I read the more hungry I got for His word and then ultimately Sid something supernatural happened in my heart and my life.  And all I can say is the desire in my life; all of the sudden the desire to want to live in the world; to chase drugs and to chase woman and to do the party thing all of a sudden in my heart in my life I had another desire a desire to want to love; a desire to want to serve; a desire to want to do what was right.  And so that’s what’s taking place in my heart and in my life.  And you know I reached a place where I was sick and tired.  I call it sick and tired of being sick.  And that’s where there’s a lot of people in our world today and they’ve tried all the things of the world and yet there’s still something missing in their life.

Sid: Okay, so alright you’re in jail you’re reading the Bible you now get sentenced to prison what happened there?

Ricky: They sent me to penitentiary and what I did was I committed my heart to God from the Bible.  And so I went on to jail and in jail I used that time to become all that I could possibly be for God.  I used that time to study the Bible. Did over 100 Bible correspondence courses…

Sid: Now what did they sentence you to?

Ricky: They sentenced me to 7 years in the Department of Corrections from St. Francisville.  Now I still got the charges that I’m facing in New Orleans which is possession with the intention to distribute 14 pounds of Marijuana and an ounce of Ecstasy there.  So they sent me right on to the penitentiary and…

Sid: So what is prison like?

Ricky: Prison is like being caged like an animal; prison puts you in a tremendous bondage like on a chessboard. You’re in checkmate; you can’t go backwards; you can’t go forward you are captive you’re in bondage it’s a terrible feeling.  I’ll never forget I was standing in the yard; I saw the guard towers and here’s the guard up there with a rifle in their hand and razor wire on the fences. As I look through the razor wire it was almost like this is a bad dream; this is a terrible nightmare.  I can’t believe that I’m in prison because I’m a middle-class guy; I came from a pretty good family moneywise. And how did I get here?

Sid: Now you had at this point accepted the Lord, but even in prison you backslid a little bit.  And you felt like God spoke to you; tell me what did He say.

Ricky: Well Sid I started hanging out with people I shouldn’t have been hanging out with at one time.  And of course I had just started living for God so I was real young.  They convinced me to go out in the yard and smoke a joint.  And so here I am on the yard, I smoke a joint but when I smoked that joint I felt a conviction in my heart that I had never felt before. I knew that I was a different person; I knew that life was not for me anymore.  Something supernatural had taken place in my life as a result of committing my life to the Lord. And so I went into the dormitory I was so convicted I didn’t want anybody to see me and I felt strange and so I was scared to even face anybody.  I got up on my top bunk; I pulled the covers over my head and I asked God to forgive me no less than 1,000 times.  Then it seemed that I was brought to a crossroad in my life in the valley of decision.  And this was the crossroad; “If you choose to live for Me (God) I will give you your wife back and I will cause My blessing to be in your life.  But if you choose today at the crossroad to go the way of drugs the way you’ve been living you are going to lose everything and you’re going to live half of your life in prison.” That’s what I heard in my heart. And I made a decision with my freewill that for me we were going to serve God and we were going to do what was right.  And I made that decision 18 years ago and it’s been the greatest decision that I’ve ever made. I got a wonderful wife; my wife is still with me thank You Lord.  I got great kids and a dynamic church that I pastor.

Sid: How long did you spend in prison?

Ricky: I did right at 4 years almost 4 years.

Sid: Four years but according to what you should have had you should have had life.

Ricky: But something supernatural happened there too Sid because I wasn’t even supposed to come up for parole.  Three felony convictions; I had 3 felony convictions and if you’re convicted to 3 felonies you’re not eligible for parole.  Yet they still brought me on the parole board and gave me parole. I had favor! Listen let me tell you something happens when you serve God.

Sid: Now you were concerned, and of course your wife is saved now but you were concerned when you were in prison your wife wasn’t saved.  Did you pray much about her?

Ricky: My goodness I had over a 100 Bible correspondent courses I did and I had many of those correspondent course praying for my wife.  And ultimately prayed my wife in and that’s what rescued and salvaged my marriage. I would not be married today if it wouldn’t have been for my commitment to serve God.

Sid: Now the thing that intrigued me wasn’t anything that you said so far. The thing that I heard about you Pastor Ricky, and by the way how large is your church today?

Ricky: Eight hundred and fifty people.

Sid: And did you take over a big church?

Ricky: No sir; we started from scratch and I’ll tell you I’ve taken people off the streets.  We’ve built this church with people that came off the streets with drugs and alcohol.  I have what we call an “All way house.” And that means just simply “All the way for God!”

Sid: Half way doesn’t work.

Ricky: No, if you want a halfway house we’ll find a half way. If you want to go all the way and by the way Sid in anything that you want to do in life and…. you got to be committed; you got to go all the way.  And if you go all the way…

Sid: So in drugs you went all the way and in crime you went all the way; and now you’re going all the way for God.

Ricky: Always have been 100%

Sid: But Ricky the thing that intrigued me is not anything that you’ve said so far about you.  The thing that intrigues me about you is you had a revelation of God’s love and you communicate that; you exude it to the people.  Tell me what that was.

Ricky: What I found out that it’s not about religion; it’s not about tradition; it’s just simply loving God and loving people. And if we’ll just live by that principal then God’s blessing and God’s favor will be upon us and in our life.

Sid: Now listen so many miracles are taking place in your church but we’ll stop right here. I’ll tell you what Mishpochah I believe that you’re going to get a physical healing on tomorrow’s broadcast.  Do you know someone caught up in drugs; caught up in the glamor of the fast life?   They may not be a dealer; they maybe at the early stages but there are so many people that are about ready to take the path that Ricky took and many of them will die before they have a chance to really live.