Sid Roth

Sid: I am absolutely overwhelmed with the information that Gary Kah is making available to us.  He’s telling us secrets that the media has purposely hidden and in fact one of the things I saw in going over your material Gary, is about under an Islamic Shrine in Israel they found important original records that were buried there.  Now where was this shrine located?

Gary: Well, it’s a Shrine of Omar in Jerusalem and yes, some Israeli TV journalists were secretly filming under that areas a few years back and they discovered a tunnel that had initially been dug in the Middle Ages it’s believed by the Knights Templers that had control of that area.  And the Templers had found some of the early original documents of the church in Jerusalem involving and revealing what the church actually believed, how they were structured, what they did.  And information of that nature and this is very key information and I believe that there are those today who do not want that information out and as a result want control of that area.

Sid: Well, if the information came out, what I believe from looking over your data in Research is it would change the whole structure of what we call the church today.  It would even change the thinking about a hieracy that is rampant and the devil is the one behind if it’s hieracy and that’s called replacement theology where the Christians replaced the Jews.  And that just messes up everything to understand end time Bible prophecy.

Gary: Exactly, and of course many church groups over the years have been pushing replacement theology and these findings of what the early century church really believed and practice would totally shatter that.  And you know…

Sid: You know I would love to get a hold of that information; it would answer a lot of questions I’ve been asking God.  I mean these were religious people would stop controlling it so we could see what authentic Christianity really was like.

Gary: Yeah, exactly and I feel the same way, you know you cannot have the church replacing the Jews, it’s not scriptural.  But that’s what is being taught and that helped to lead I believe to the openness by some Christians during Nazi Germany to do what they did.  However, groups that do not believe in replacement theology have a much better openness to the Jewish people.  And so you kind of draw a line in the sand along those lines and people who do not believe the replacement theology also have a must more literal interpretation of Bible prophecy so they heed the end time warning and take them seriously.  Whereas advocates of replacement theology not so much so.

Sid: Let me ask you a question, there’s a man that intrigued me when he was the head of England, Tony Blair.  And he kind of dropped out of the scene and now he seems to be reemerging, but not in a very good way.  Tell me about Mr. Blair, what’s been going on with him?

Gary: Well, when Tony Bair stepped down from being Britain’s Prime Minister a few years ago he went through a lot of changes in his life.  Actually he converted to Roman Catholicism and then founded the Tony Blair Faith Foundation.  And also around that same time became the main negotiator for the Western Powers regarding Mid East Peace, so he has been traveling a lot to Israel, to Rome and points in between moving negotiations forward.  So he’s a very important figure in the world, a very likeable individual personality wise the way he presents himself.  But through his Faith Foundation he has openly stated now that his goal is to unify the world’s religions and so he is playing right into this inter-faithism this bringing together the world’s religions so that the global political agenda for world government can succeed.  And whether he’s doing this completely knowingly or unknowingly I don’t know, but he’s a very smart person. So I presuming that he must be in favor of global government because it would be difficult for him not to be in light of what he’s doing and some of the statements that he has made.

Sid: Now, you mentioned in your DVDs that we are making available amazing top evangelicals by name that are involved with the Tony Blair Faith Foundation how could these people be involved with that?

Gary: Well, one of them is actually on his Board of Directors along with a top Muslim Choleric and people of other religions and that again it mystifies me.  I don’t know how that is possible because this is not a case where the goal is unknown, Tony Blair has again openly stated that his purpose is to unify the world’s religions; he has even taught a course a Yale University on how to go about doing that.  And so to have a top Christian Evangelical Leader involved in that with him it simply if unacceptable, it really is.  And it breaks my heart to see that, but again a sign of the times I suppose.

Sid: Okay, so the foundations is after unifying all religions, but it seems as though a focal point is Jerusalem, why Jerusalem?

Gary: Well, in Jerusalem you have Christians, Jews and Muslims all with a major stake there.  And the ultimate goal in all of this is to make Jerusalem the Interfaith Capitol of the World; to bring all the world’s religions together there.  And also another goal, along with that from a political stand point is these people would like to Internationalize Jerusalem.  In other words, basically remove it out from under Israeli sovereignty and make Jerusalem international entity unto itself with international peace keeping forces there.  And so it would be its own political machine so to speak and the religions of the world coming together in that spot, in that location.  And of course, you and I both understand this really would set the stage then for the anti-Christ to take power.  Because if the international forces would ultimately have control of Jerusalem and are pushing this inter-faithism and coming together of this world’s religions; and this world’s countries then who would be able to stop a leader of that international authority from taking his seat of power in that spot?  It’s very intriguing of what really could happen through all of this.

Sid: Now, something that you reveal I’ve never heard before, that in 1993 there was a letter written to the Pope by the Prime Minister of Israel Perez and what did that letter say?

Gary: Well, in that letter that was sent by the Pope by Shimon Peres, Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem to go along with internationalizing Jerusalem and granting UN political control of the Old City.  I stagger when you think about it and again…

Sid: And now, of course Peres is dead now so does that have any validity?

Gary: Well, this information came out many years ago and I believe it did get limited coverage in the media, but after a short time you didn’t hear much about it.  But it was not a secret that Shimon Peres was a very strong globalist and was very committed to a global agenda and I believe that his role has been over the years to help condition Israel, prepare Israel to come into this global government.  And you see you have to understand Sid, the biggest, one of the biggest problems that internationalists have had in bringing about this global government has been that the people of Israel and the people of the United States are so independent minded and they don’t want to go into this world government and so somehow there has to be a conditioning, reasons have to be given for why it would be to our advantage to move into this World Government.  Otherwise people aren’t going to do it unless they really have to they aren’t going to do it.  And I believe Peres was involved heavily in trying to lay the foundation in Israel to help get the Israeli people to that point.

Sid: And you also bring out something that is amazing, how could Muslims believe in what the Muslim believes unite with a Christian, with a Protestant, with a Catholic, but there’s a connection between Mary and Islam?  Explain.

Gary: That’s right this is something I actually stumbled on to in my research, I didn’t know this until a few years ago.  But Mohammed believed that when he would go to Paradise that Mary would be his wife.  And also there is a high regard for Mary within Islamic circles partly for that reason.  In addition to that, Mohammed had a daughter by the name of Fatima.  Now Fatima of Portugal is the location of where apparitions of Mary allegedly were seen in the early nineteen hundreds and of course that’s not a secret most people listening would know that; the alleged apparitions of Mary and Fatima of Portugal.  Well to Muslims that was significant because they thought of all places where these apparitions shows to appear it was in Fatima, a city named after Mohammed’s daughter.  And so there is this connection between Mary and Islam and of course Mary is highly revered in Roman Catholic circles as well as of course honored very much so in Protestant circles.  But this is being used; these facts are being used to try to bring Islam and Christianity together and there has been some success along those lines.

Sid: You know I hear of stories, wonderful stories and I meet Muslims that have had encounters with Jesus, where no human agency has witnessed to them, but Jesus has come and they’ve become extremely strong Christians.  But isn’t it interesting many Muslims are also having appearances of Mary which you can see where that’s going.

Gary: Yeah, in fact I told my wife years ago that, “If the time ever came when we would hear of Muslims claiming to see apparitions of Mary that we know that things were getting very close that were getting close to the end,” and all these pieces of the puzzle fitting together for global government and also eventually the return of Jesus.  But Muslims in different countries now including Egypt and Indonesia are saying that they are seeing Mary and in some cases hundreds at a time.  There apparitions of Mary are allegedly promoting global unity, unification of the world’s religions and our coming together.

Sid: Oh, our time I’m sorry our time has slipping away again Gary.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is naturally supernatural. His name is Kerry Kirkwood and he has such a precise gift of prophecy. He literally even knows people’s names. Give me an example, Kerry.

KERRY: Well there’s a lady that was asking the Lord for a particular direction in her life; and she wanted to know whether she was going to be remarried or not. And she wanted to be, but didn’t know if it was the will of God. She said, “Lord, if you want me to be remarried then have them tell me my name.” And so we called her out of the audience and spoke over her. And to me, it was just like I was giving a verse of Scripture. I heard the Lord says, “She’s a pearl of great price.” Didn’t mean that much to me, but I knew what was “a word” to her. I said, “You’re a pearl of great price.” She got so excited because her last name was Pearl. Her name was Annie Pearl.

SID: Did you…When you said it, you were just like a secretary just saying, you didn’t know the significance.

KERRY: Right. Yeah, I didn’t know anything of what she was asking. And then secondly, the Word was to her, “And the Lord wants you to you to know that you’re married to him.” And so she got so excited that I had answered the questions; that it was like a code language to her, because I didn’t know anything about it. I was just giving the Scripture at that point. But it spoke things to her. So sometimes prophecy is interpreted by the Holy Spirit, to that person, as to what they’re hearing.

SID: Now when you were six years of age, you had a very significant experience. Just briefly tell me about that.

KERRY: Well one of the first encounters I had I was out in the backyard, under a cottonwood tree playing. And all of a sudden, nature seemed to stop. The birds quit singing, and I can hear just nothing. It became so still. And so I became very scared, and I didn’t want to look up. But I finally ran in to the house; to see if my mother was there, because if she had been taken away. I thought maybe I was the only one left.

SID: Left behind.

KERRY: Exactly. And I looked at her and I said, “I thought you were gone.” So I told her what had happened. And she said, “You had an experience with the Holy Spirit. It’s like an overshadowing, and the hand of God is upon you.” And I knew at that moment there was something that God wanted me to do.

SID: So that was almost your call. But then a few years later, you were dragged to a church where they prophesy; and someone prophesied that event that happened when you were six! Tell me about that.

KERRY: Exactly. A friend of mine, we were going to play on a tennis team together in high school, and he invited me to go to church. I thought it was pretty strange. He never asked me before. We had known each other for a number of years. And so he asked me. Then I called him back and declined; because I heard about them prophesying to people. And I told him, that’s not God because that’s fortune telling, and so God wouldn’t do that. He forced me to go with him anyway. And I was seeing people there rejoicing. They were very happy. And I thought, if I could get out of here alive, then I’m just going to be happy. I was very nervous.

SID: About how old were you?

KERRY: I was a senior in high school; eighteen.

SID:  Okay.

KERRY:  And at the end of the meeting, someone came up behind me, and lay their hands on me; and began to prophesy the very thing, the experience that I had underneath that cottonwood tree. And I was so moved by it. I was on my face just sobbing before God, because I knew at that very moment, that ‘You are the God that You say You are; and that You are my God.’ You’re not just a religious thing and figment. You are literally the God who calls me. And I knew at that moment that He became more personal than just a theological thing.

SID: And you saw these prophets operate. And one day, you breathed a prayer to God. What was that?

KERRY: Yes. I made a vow inside. The prophets were coming and they were calling people out, and just speaking over the direction of their lives. And I saw the joy that it brought these people, and the change it brought in their lives. And I said to myself, you know internally, I said, “One of these days I want to do that.” And I heard the Lord say back to me that, “Whatsoever you desire when you pray, believe you have it.” And I said, “Yes, Lord, I will.”

SID: And that was your destiny. But then, Kerry received a revelation. Let me ask you a question. Do you feel sometimes that your prayers aren’t getting beyond the ceiling? Do you feel sometimes that your prayers are on instant pause; and wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could put it on fast-forward? I mean, just like that. Boom! It’s on fast-forward. It happens. It’s done. Kerry has a revelation that will allow that to happen. Your prayers are going to go on fast-forward. Kerry, tell me the circumstances of how you got this revelation.

KERRY: Well, I was driving on Interstate 30 in Dallas, Texas. Traffic was just horrendous, bumper-to-bumper. Had a young man pull in front of me and ‘bout caused a wreck. And to my surprise, I just blurted out, “Idiot!”

SID: How does someone in the ministry say, “Idiot”?  Now I didn’t say that to you (points at the camera).

KERRY: It just blurted out. And my wife who’s with me says, “Pardon me?” And I said, “Well, I think he is.” And so the Lord spoke to me in my heart and said, “Why did you call me an idiot?”

SID: You weren’t calling Him an idiot. You were calling the other driver an idiot.

KERRY: Yes. But the Lord began to speak to me. He says, “How can you curse man, whom you cannot see and – excuse me, how you curse man whom you can see and bless God who you cannot see? Because, as you’ve done it to the least of these, you’ve done it to me; and I created this young man.” And then He said to me, “Now bless him.” So I kind of flippantly said, “Oh okay, I bless him.” And He said, “No, bless him the way that you would want me to bless you.”

SID: Wow.

KERRY: And so I thought for a moment, wow. So I said, “I release him to fulfill all the purposes of God. I declare over this young man that he would come into the knowledge of the Son of God; that he would be a joy for his family, and that he would fulfill the calling and essence of his own life as well.” And when I did that, it was like the endorphins; I hear about runners, they get a runner high. I felt the pleasure of God just coursing through me physically, emotionally, spiritually; and I thought, this is what it means to delight yourself in the Lord; and I was pleasing God by doing it.

SID: How would you like to feel the pleasure of God? Kerry has found a key that when you call things that are not as if they are, according to God’s Word and not as they are; but what you see with your eyes; you release blessings in your family, you get rid of curses, the devil can’t touch you, sickness goes. Your finances increase. Your job gets better. I mean, it is amazing as he’s teaching this principle, and people grab hold of it; you start acting like the son and daughter of God you were called to be. Don’t go away. We’ll be back right after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, I met about 15 years ago for the first time. I was at a leaders meeting in Israel and I was so struck with the accuracy of a prophet, and he is a prophet, and he knew nothing about me. He didn’t know that I was struggling. He did not know that God had given me a new revelation, and I was proclaiming it everywhere, and I was being hit with the worst resistance. And I went into the meeting where he was speaking, in Israel. I sat down, and your first words to me, do you remember your first words, Chuck Pierce?

CHUCK: I do remember.

SID: What was it?

CHUCK: I remember how I saw what you were struggling with, and how God had such a plan for you to move the body of Christ into a whole new dimension of thinking.

SID: He said the word, “one new man”.

CHUCK: Absolutely.

SID: …I was so encouraged…when you said something to the affect, “You’re going to bring the one new man.” The first time I met you, I knew you had a genuine, true, prophetic gift. I want to find out about how this gift developed in you. But the thing that’s so amazing to me is in 2005, you heard a word about the President of the United States. What did you hear? And by the way, this was documented. This isn’t just he said it after the fact. In 2005, what did you hear?

CHUCK: Well we were traveling across every state in America, Doug Sheets and I, and we had gone across Alabama from Birmingham to Montgomery. In Montgomery, we were in a large church, Kyle Searcy’s church, and while we were there the Spirit of God came down and said, “You prophecy that the next president will be a black man; and an Afro-American would become the next President in America.”

SID: Now that took, we Jewish people have a word. It’s called “chutzpah”, nerve. That took chutzpah, Chuck.

CHUCK: It did. It really did to be that specific because I knew, that by 2008, that would be able to be tracked.

SID: And the thing that’s interesting to me is that he realized, when an African-American would become President of the United States; but he knew it way back then, that the curse from slavery would be neutralized; but as you put it, the roots would not be dealt with. Now, if a curse is neutralized, and let’s not get into it yet, but the basic root of the curse is not dealt with; what’s the repercussion?

CHUCK: Well if the basic root isn’t dealt with, Sid, it’s going to rise up, and it’s going to produce a different type of fruit; not the fruit that we were normally used to seeing, but the root will come alive again. Now the root of all slavery is anti-Semitism, linked with the concept of Mammon. And so, one of the things that I was seeing was, God was going to deal with the slavery issue that had divided America. But the root issue of anti-Semitism would then arise, and I believe the Lord showed me within three years…

SID: You know, the most amazing thing is, what he showed you on that. We’ll get to that in a minute. But I want to find out about the making of a prophet. You ended up, through sheer exhaustion, in a hospital; and there was a Pentecostal minister in the next bed. Talk about a set-up. So take me to that.

CHUCK: It was a sovereign time. First of all, our family had great potential. And my dad, who was a wonderful man; who had the ability to prosper, had fallen into corruption and died a premature death. That left me with being the first child over a 400-acre piece of land, ranch, and various aspects of it. And in the midst of it, we were not in good shape. Exhaustion came to me because I was working, I was going to school. I was partying, in ways I shouldn’t have been partying. And my grandmother, who was a godly woman, came to me, on my mother’s side, and said, “God has a different plan for you. Not the same plan that your dad, not the same direction your dad went.” And of course, when you’re 18, you don’t want to hear all that. Three months later, I ended up exhausted, with double pneumonia, in the hospital; and of course, my grandmother was a nurse in the hospital, came into my room and said, “I told you this was going to happen to you.” I was under oxygen. But God – in His sovereign grace, put me in a room with a Pentecostal preacher, who introduced me to someone I didn’t know, the Holy Spirit.

SID: And the Spirit of God came on you, literally.

CHUCK: He got out of the hospital and the Spirit of God visited me for three days.

SID: And there were two main things that were accomplished during these three days. The first thing that happened was Israel.

CHUCK: The first thing that happened was he told me, “Read the Bible.” Well there was something, the Spirit of God was there. He drew me to the Word of God. I started reading. In Genesis, you can’t read Genesis without coming into a question and an understanding of covenant. Now remember, the Spirit of God was visiting me. Therefore, it was as if the Word of God was redoing me from inside out; using the Word of God, and producing an understanding of covenant. The God of Israel, I believe, visited me. I believe the Spirit of God, who is represented through the Son, revealed to me the God of Israel. And in the midst of that, I began to see Israel. Something else happened, Sid. During the time I was there, it was the Munich Olympics, and I saw the hatred. Now I’m reading the Word, and God is revealing to me Israel. And how did He do that? My dad had acquired all the 12 sections of land of his inheritance. And there, I’m reading the Bible, and it’s about 12 tribes. And all of a sudden, it was as if I knew that if God could promise this group; who had a lot of mess about them, what He was promising them, He could do a work with the same family, bloodline that I had.

SID: I believe that he had such an encounter with the Holy Spirit that, number one; someone’s neck was just healed. That’s not number one. But that’s what God just told me. But number one, he got a revelation on Israel, and he has hung with that revelation. Number two, God spoke to him, and said he would restore everything that had been taken; and he could teach others how to restore everything that has been stolen from them; because of this revelation in Israel. And number three, he was so saturated with the Spirit of God, he began to prophecy the most astounding things. Wait ’til you hear what he heard about President Barak Obama. Be back right after this word.

Sid: The separation between Jew and Gentile, it’s finally come down and someone’s back was just healed in Yeshua’s name.  Getting ready Mishpochah to blow the grandest shofar and you’re going to hear the grandest shofar blowing on this show, the grandest trumpet in Zion, we want everyone everywhere to hear the good news.  We want everywhere to be Red Hot for the Messiah, my guests Don and Sue Heist. Don has an amazing gift of blowing the shofar, it’s not because it sounds better than any I have ever heard before and it does, it’s because of the anointing, the anointing destroys the yoke.  Don Heist, you were telling me on yesterday’s broadcast as we were going off the air that God showed you something about Gideon, tell me.

Don: Yes, it was that the use of the shofar that when Gideon took his army into the Amalekites camp they were expecting that they were going to be fighting with them.  And so they broke their clay pots, held up there torches so they could see and sound of the shofar.  What happened was when they sounded the shofar the Amalekites got so confused that they actually turned on each other and were fighting and killing each other.  So I understand the story Gideon any his army were pretty much just standing there watching the enemy kill itself and they won the battle God gave them the victory and they didn’t have to do anything.  And I believe just as in Jericho the shofar is instrumental tool of worship and warfare and God’s voice being emitted from it as what really does all the power of healing or warfare.

Sid: Now, what you do which is very interesting on you CD “Take Me In” it is fully orchestrated but one of the instruments is the shofar.  And you also do the traditional that Messianic Jews and Orthodox Jew have been doing for thousands of years that literally, how did we get these originally get these original melodies that you do on this CD?  Where did they originally come from?

Don: Well, these have been passed down through generations and generations of Jewish Rabbis and Jewish followers of the Church or the Synagogue because no where have we ever found that them being written down.  So we don’t know for a fact how accurate we are when we are playing them, but we do know that by word of mouth they have been passed down through the generations for the use in the Jewish Synagogue and now we use them in the Messianic Circles as the same meanings to do the same things that they’ve always been used for but we’re exposing them and using them in more public manner that believers and nonbelievers alike can hear.

Sid: Sue, I have a question for you, who is Don’s wife.  You hear of all of these amazing reports of people being healed, and as a matter of fact, let me just interject something.  You had a prophetic word Don in 2007 and now people may or may not have been healed before but after that prophetic word, and explosions of healing occurred.  Who was that that prophesied over you and what even happened at that meeting.

Don: Well, we were at a conference in South Florida and Bob Griffin was there and as he was passing across the front of the platform where Paul Wilbur Worship Band and I were standing, he was prophesying and he just stopped and turned his head and looked at me and when our eyes met, I have to be honest and say it, it frightened me because it because I knew that he was about to say something to me.  And so he looked at me, pointed his finger towards me and said, “I have a word for you from God.”  And I’m standing there in awe wondering what’s coming and he says, “God just told me tell you that whenever you blow the cancer must go.”  And from that moment on we were getting reports of the most amazing things happening with healings.  There was a man at the conference that night that I sounded the shofar into his chest and a few weeks later he sends me an email that says that he was completely healed, that the testing when he went back to the hospital, all these golf ball size lumps in his chest were totally gone.

Sid: Okay, let’s go back to Sue right now, Sue, your hearing all these reports, you’re witnessing with your eyes, I know that when you had your husband on we had so many healings from him just blowing the shofar.  But you were rear ended in an auto accident and you had a horrible condition that went on for eighteen years, you’re seeing all these other people healed, didn’t you wonder why you weren’t being healed?

Sue: I waited a long time, yes I did and this preparing Don to leave for another conference that I had this righteous anger that just kind of arose.

Sid: Let’s go back a little bit; what were you diagnosed and describe your worse situation with this diagnosis.

Sue: The diagnosis was Arnold Chiari malformation which is a brain malformation where the tonsil of the brain lies low in the skull or outside the skull.  It’s degenerative and the only choice to make any changes was some very serious surgery with high complications because it being the brain and the vertebrae.  And we prayed and prayed.

Sid: What were the symptoms of this?

Sue: It prevented me from bending over when I would bend over forward to pick anything up I would have a severe knife stabbing pain on top of my head, sometimes it would last for minutes, sometimes it would last for days.  I could not do anything with movement as to riding as a passenger in the car, I had to drive rather than ride, I could not do elevators or escalators, it got to the point where they put prisms on my reading glasses so that it would pull my eyes back in because I need vision therapy because the eyes could not track properly.  Depth perception is a problem, anything with movement; I couldn’t watch any movement on TV whether it be football or ice skating or anything like that.

Sid: So you could not even be a passenger in a car?

Sue: No.

Sid: I mean you really were isolated by this, Don it must have been very hard for you to live with your wife’s condition, seeing all these other people healed and seeing your wife suffer for these eighteen years.

Don: Yes, it was and that’s the saving grace of the whole thing is that God just kept encouraging both of us to hang on by prayer and calling out on him.  We knew the day would come at some day the total healing.  We prayed together every day for her complete restoration and healing no matter what the doctor said.

Sid: Okay Sue, even though it was incurable short of very dangerous surgery that could have result in something even worse, one day you reached you point and you and Don agreed in prayer and he blew the shofar over you, do remember that day?

Sue: I do.

Sid: Tell me about it.

Sue: He was getting ready to leave for a conference and I just believed very strongly that healing needs to start at home, if our home is healed and healthy our churches would be healed and healthy and one last time I asked him to pray for me before he left and I wanted him to blow the shofar right into the back of my head where the brain malformation was.  He was a little resistant because of the sound being so loud and I demanded it and just cried on him one more time, please pray before you leave.  And he did, he left for the conference, he was gone three days and I just gave it to the Lord and said, “Okay, it’s in your hands, I was obedient to get the prayer and now it’s up to you God.”  And over those three days he was gone I started seeing healing being manifested in my body that the first day he was gone I dropped something on the floor, which normally I could not bend over and pick up with not severe pain and I bent over without even thinking and I picked it up and I just stopped myself and was shocked, it was like, wait a minute I don’t have any pain.  But over the three days he was gone, things just started changing until he came home that Sunday evening at the airport I actually rode the moving walkway with our son and we rode and escalator and our son was just astonished, no I can’t let you do this Mom, you are going to be so sick.  I said, No, I’m not sick any more.  And every symptom…

Sid: How long have you been symptom free?

Sue: Two and a half years a little over two and half years, October it will be three years.

Sid: Okay, time is slipping away, people listen to me right now Mishpochah, I believe the anointing is going to destroy the yoke on your life.  Let’s hear a selection “Holy Worship”

Don Heist’s selection “Holy Worship” 9.31 -11.20

Sid: Well, my guest is red hot for the Messiah; I just wish you’d been a fly on the wall hearing the conversation I had with Chuck Pierce before we even started this interview.  But Chuck, I don’t know how many years ago it was, but I happened to have been in Israel and you were in Israel meeting a group of leaders and someone found out I was there and they invited me to that meeting.  And as the meeting started you looked over at me and you said something to the effect of “You’re supposed to bring the One New Man or talk about the One New Man.”  And I didn’t even know you at the time; and I don’t think you even knew I was talking about that at the time.  Do you remember that at all or not?

Chuck: I do, I do Sid, first of all let me just say, I can’t think of anybody I would rather be talking to right now than you, and all of you listeners out there; this ministry and is probably one of the very best that you watch in days ahead to get the right message of what’s happening as the Church comes into its Kingdom, full Kingdom expression as the nations begin to clash in days ahead.  Sid it was probably, that was probably fifteen years ago that that happened and I just knew you by the Spirit, I think you opened your mouth and I thought, “He’s the guy who understands this.”  And it was so few then that really understood how God was bringing Jew and Gentile together.  I think once I heard you make two or three sentences immediately my heart leapt and said, “He’s the one.”

Sid: Well, I was impressed that you caught that so fast, because I was fairly new at teaching on that area at that time and as a matter of fact I don’t want to go into detail, but many that have embraced what I teach today, when I taught it back then, you would have thought that I was spreading leprosy because they was so different from their paradigm.

Chuck: I think that it was because of that wall of division there.

Sid: But do you know what; there is more to this Chuck that it’s going deeper and deeper and with your prophetic gift, I want our Mishpochah to have an accurate understanding of the future.  And one of the things that I think is a amazing is the prophecy that you delivered in 2005 and tell us that prophecy.

Chuck: Well, many of you know that Dutch Sheets and I visited all fifty states when the prayer movement was coming into fullness in America and getting ready to shift.  And we knew that we needed to visit all states.  So when we got to Alabama we were in Birmingham with Kyle Searcy and who is a wonderful, wonderful leader in Alabama; and in the midst of the service there, which probably had 1,500 people in it; the Spirit of God fell on me and said, “I have brought you here to decree that out of this place; and here’s what happens to me Sid.  All of a sudden when I’m in the presence of God I can see into the future and all of a sudden in 2005 I could see that the next President would be an a Afro-American President.

Sid: Well, that was a good way to get labeled a false prophet, because the probability in 2005 of us having an African American President was probably minus zero.

Chuck: Well, and I remember Kyle saying, “You know we thought that was such a far-fetched prophecy that we kept that prophecy, we recorded it and we kept it before us to see if what you said then would happen and that meant if it happened the other things that was being prophesied that night was going to happen.

Sid: Well, I’m on the edge of my seat, “What other things did you prophecy, I mean anyone that could catch that, that President Barack Obama would be the first African American President.  And when did you say that would happen?

Chuck: I said, “By 2008, it would be the next president.”

Sid: Okay, what else did you see at that time?

Chuck: Well, I tell you it set me on a journey, it set me on a personal journey and it set me on a journey in shifting my own life to pray in a different way, because what I saw was really; what I began to see at that point was really how we had focused on the racial issue in America; before the civil war slavery for four hundred years.  God was going to bring some sort of neutralization to that 400 year cycle of what we call slavery; but what he was really going to deal with was going to be the anti-Semitic root of slavery!  And take us fully into an expression of how we would align with Israel beginning this year.  Now God did not show me fullness, the plan of fullness of this until May 2008, but I started the journey in 2005.  Another thing that it did Sid was all of my friends who, many of them are very conservative in their political stance; they were striving to see who to support and who would win the election so that it could prophecy correctly in 2008 and I finally had to say, “Now, wait a minute guys, you’re prophesying this guy and that guy and that guy and none of that is going to happen; a black man will be nominated and he will win the election.  And I was actually asked by friends, “Please do not say that because you have prophetic influence and it will sway people in this nation not to vote correctly.”

Sid: Okay, but you also saw something back then that would happen in, you were so specific, in May of 2011; what did you see?

Chuck: By 2008 God had started showing me really what this nation was beginning, how we were beginning to turn and so I was at Liberty Island, remember you know how we rhythm things every year?  So in 2008 it was the year to open the gates and so they had a meeting up at Liberty Park at Ellis Island where most of our people had come through; immigrants had come through into this nation.  And we were to open the gate again and invite the Glory of God in and what they would do; they would come through Ellis Island, they would sign the register and then they would go on a train into Newark and into New York City.  So we actually rented the train station there, this group did in Newark and we had a meeting there; we had about 1500 people in and I was to be the speaker.  When I got there the Spirit of God fell on me and caught me up.  Now this made me very useless as a speaker for a major gathering because He caught me up into a Heavenly Realm and He began again to show me three years ahead what would happen.  See I think with me Sid, one of the things that I see is I see that when I’m at the right place at the right time as it says in Acts, as the word of God says in Acts 17:24 – 27, when I’m in that moment all of a sudden it says that He predetermines your times and place, that means you can see the horizon line of the future.  And I believe what He did with me at that moment was show me what would happen and in it He showed me details of this nation; of what would happen in this nation, state by state, by state, by state.  Now before I want to give you, I want you to ask me some questions, but I do want to say this, the first three states he showed me were Arizona, Alabama and Alaska.  This was in May 2008; and in the midst of that it was clear how this nation would begin to take its next turn in history.

Sid: But what did He say about would happen in May of 2011?

Chuck: Well, and see He showed me our nation with its relationship with Israel; he showed me every state’s relationship with Israel.  I’ll go ahead and say this, I came back after that and I was a little shaken from the vision so I did two things,  I asked Robert Heidler, which many of you know that name because he wrote, “Messiah Church Arising.” And he and I work together we co-labor together in Ministry.  I came back and I described each state what it looked like and he drew it for me as I described it; so we have that record.  Then I started researching each state, Janice Sweeney who is one of our Pastors here started researching each state.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, “We’re out of time; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Chuck; but I am overwhelmed over some of the things God has shown you…”

Sid: Now my guest Larry Hutton, has got the most wonderful key, Larry I have to tell you when I was listening to your CD’s and the CD has a title “How to Live in Peace All the Time” I felt I could feel the peace of God.  I could feel the pleasure of God; I mean I have so enjoyed listening to your teaching that I had to find out in 1977 when you had a visitation you told me that the presence of God was so strong that you probably couldn’t even get up?

Larry: Yeah, yeah it was pretty awesome.

Sid: Jus out of curiosity, was it ever that strong before that time?

Larry: No Sir, no I had never experienced it before that time.

Sid: I bet you were one excited young man.

Larry: It definitely transformed your life, I mean when you start talking about not having anymore down days the rest of your life; I mean I thought that was too good to be true.  But thank God he showed me in the word, the Bible and it really is true.

Sid: Larry, in 2010 God spoke to you a very sobering word about what’s coming on the earth, tell me what He said.

Larry: Well, he told me that things in the world were going to get worse, that we had not seen the worse yet, but that for His children, for the children that are following after the Lord Jesus that it would not be a time of turmoil it would be a time of being light.  You can walk in His peace right through the dark times and right through those stressful and hurting times and have them not overwhelm you.  So it was pretty sobering in one sense and…

Sid: I have to believe that the message that God taught you in 1977 where He personally taught you how to live in peace all the time, step by step was in preparation for what believer’s need now at this point in history.  There’s going to be…, you know what it reminds me of?  It reminds me of the Exodus where there was a distinction between God’s people and the Egyptians.  That’s what I’m hearing you say.

Larry: Right, yeah because I mean with time the way they are in the financial arena and physical things attacking people and all this stuff it’s like I mean, just overwhelming for people in their mental and emotions and to learn to walk free from that is just…

Sid: Now when God talked to you to you personally in 1977 and told you that you could live like this 24-7 you told me, it was hard for you to believe.

Larry: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me the first test you had that you could remember because as you explained, since ’77 you’ve had plenty of opportunity to have fear and worry etc. but in the early days you must have had what I find is when God gives us a revelation;  the devil gives us a major test.  Tell me about it.

Larry: Yeah, well the Lord had taught me that all of the fears and the stress and the depression and discouragement, all of those things we have to face that He already faced them at the cross and defeated them for us.  So I remember I was at Delta Airlines one time and some lies were told about me that it looked like it was going to make me lose my job. Management had gotten wind of it and they didn’t want to give me the opportunity to defend myself and so I had all of this I was wanting to you know how the old saying, “I’m going to kill those people that lied about me.”  So I had my anger, and then depression and then fear of losing my job and all of this stuff and the Lord reminded me; He said, “Remember what I taught you in John 16:33. That I’ve deprived it of power to harm you and defeated it and conquered it for you.”  And so then I just remember standing up and He told me, “Now speak to those feeling, speak to those negative emotions, talk to them like you would a person and tell them I already told you in advance they were coming and that they were coming and that they were defeated.”  And I remember Sid; I jumped up and just started almost shouting, I mean just started shouted, heah you, just talking to those feeling that I was so about to be overwhelmed with.  Talking to them and just said, “Listen, you don’t have any power to make me depressed, you don’t have any power to make me stressed or worried, I am free!  Jesus already defeated you and I’m free from you; I have the peace of God in me.”  And Sid, when I said that another supernatural thing happened, I felt like I was enveloped in a bubble.  I mean it’s hard to explain it, it was like I was in this bubble of peace that God just garrisoned me like the hedge of Job, it was like all of a sudden I had this peace that I couldn’t even explain.  And I just walked through the midst of that storm and a short time later all of the lies came out; I never even said one word to defend myself but God turned the whole situation around.

Sid: When something like that happens, when you just know inside like you knew when you started speaking to all that turmoil that was hitting you.  Do you ever jump up and down and get excited because you realize what has occurred even though you can’t see it with your natural eye?

Larry: I’m sure some people would probably think it’d be silly if they saw me, there’s been times when I had things like that happen where I just do a little, I guess I’d call it I’d do a little gig, I just dance before the Lord.  It’s just like Lord, you just, I mean it just thrills your soul so much, you just can’t help.  It’s like joy unspeakable.

Sid: Okay, Larry between you and me just the two of us now, it’s been a long time since 1977, you’ve had many opportunities, many, many, many I mean I can probably throw a few that have hit me in the last week.  I’ve had many, many, many opportunities.  Everyone listening to us has, are you telling me that since 1977 you can really say you’ve had no stress filled days, no depression, no woe is me days, no strife filled days, you’re really telling me that?

Larry: I am really telling you that, but between us and face of the Lord Jesus that I have not had a down day, a stress filled day, a depressed day, a discouraged, day.  Plenty of opportunities like you say, but I learned how to pass them up; I learned how to not let them overtake me when they came against me.

Sid: Now you were telling me that over the years since you’ve taught this people with physical conditions get healed.  What about someone with high blood pressure?  Do many people take this teaching and their blood pressure becomes normal?

Larry: Yeah, we’ve had quite a few testimonies of people coming up and they’d tell me, “Larry I was a like a major worry wart and I just always worried and it just caused high blood pressure; but when I found out that Jesus gave me His peace and I didn’t have to worry anymore; I got set free and the blood pressure stabilized and I don’t have to take the medicine anymore.  We heard that many, many, many times.

Sid: What about people, big chronic problem in America with Christians as well as non-Christians is insomnia, I bet this has a lot to do with curing insomnia.

Larry: We have and we actually have gotten testimonies from people that have been telling us that they used to have sleep disorders, and sleep problems and that they actually learned that they could not only live in peace during the day time, but they could lay down in peace at night and then have their sleep sweet.  And that’s been a wonderful testimony, I love hearing people say that; because you know Sid, man when people can’t sleep then that causing all kinds of problems in every other area of your life.

Sid: I have to believe this is such a key, I mean I’ve heard medical studies that people with cancer, if they’ll watch comedies and laugh and laugh it releases some good things in their body and they actually get healed.  Well I happen to believe the reverse is also true; if you’re living in strife all the time, if you’re living in fear and in worry and in panic.  And you’re like a roller coaster, you’re going up and down, it’s got to release things in the body that cause you to be sick.

Larry: Absolutely, absolutely I mean I’ve even talked to doctor friends that have told me that you know that when they go to medical school they’re trained to diagnose these different illnesses.  And when people come in and they can’t diagnose them they realize man this is caused by stress, it’s caused by depression, it’s caused by anger, just all of these things that our bodies were not created to handle; and so it just causes all kinds of messes.

Sid: Now, before this happened to you, before ’77 and the Lord personally came to you, you felt His presence in such a tangible fashion and He showed you step by step how you could live the rest of your life with no down days.  Tell me some of the more severe emotional problems that you were dealing with before that happened.

Larry: You know I didn’t think that I was an emotional unstable person then.  I remember the Lord spoke to me about that and showed me, “Larry if you can’t control your temper then your emotionally unstable.”  Man that was like a low blow, it’s like I thought, woe I’m not emotionally unstable, I’m strong; I’m an athlete I got my act together.  But when I let temper and anger control me and then when things would happen and depression and discouragement and those things would overwhelm me and just rule your life you know.  Just cause you to make wrong decisions and treat people wrong and be mean to people and ugly and it was things like that that I needed…

Sid: Larry, were out of time, but I have to tell you I feel the pleasure of God on your teaching.

Sid: My guest Ruth Fazal has had an encounter with the Messiah that is going to dramatically touch your life.  Ruth so we can get together a little bit, you’re a violinist.  You started playing the violin at age nine, why did you pick it up.

Ruth: I’m not sure, I was offered it at school and I actually didn’t like it that much, I wanted to play something else but it kind of took over as time went on.  But not until thirteen or fourteen I completely feel in love with the instrument and then realized it.  It was a like a voice.

Sid: Now your father is an Anglican Vicar.  Now what is a vicar?

Ruth: A vicar? Well it’s a pastor within the Church of England, in England so that’s what they call them.

Sid: Okay, you kind of distinguished you went to Music College in London and Paris and at twenty-two you were in the Toronto Symphony.   But something happened to you when you went to Toronto.  You went to an Anglican Church which makes sense which you bumped into a legitimate revival.

Ruth: I did, not actually in the church its self but there was a real sort of renewal going on in the Anglican Church in those days and it was just really exciting to see the Holy Spirit moving in people’s lives, hearing prophetic words coming from people and just getting the sense that God is so alive.  It wasn’t about going through motions; it was a about encountering a living God and that He is wanting to do things, he’s wanting to say things; He’s wanting to draw us into His Kingdom.  Yeah, it was fairly life changing because in all of that realizing that if God had that kind of call on my life this was surely going to actually effect how I lived my life as a musician as a violinist and all of those things.

Sid: And I have always loved the violin, especially in worship music.  But what you’ve done is well; I’m getting ahead of my story.  Let’s kind of take this in a logical fashion.  Then you found yourself, you were in Toronto at the Toronto Airport Church which was really having a revival, what happened to you?

Ruth: Oh wow, that was pretty amazing; I was actually just in the process of recording a new sort of a new worship album.  And my friend Jeremy is the worship leader at the TCIF as it was called at the time.  He called me up and he said, “Ruth you might want to come play, there is something going on at the church, this guy Randy Clark has been here for like four nights now and it looks like he’s staying.  And so I went out with my friend and just kind of going, “OK, its this —-and undeniably the presence of the Lord was so strong.  I had never experienced anything like that.  And it was funny because I would go back night after night and sometimes I would say to myself, okay I’m just feeling this, I’m like I’m almost syking myself up for it, I’m just going to go in and just decide I’m not going to feel anything.  And then I would go in and I would sit there and then the Holy Spirit would just land on me.  Yeah really something started to happen very deep.  I realizing and recognizing the real presence of God, you know.  I’ve always known the Lord in an intimate way.  I’ve always known the Father in an intimate way, but there was a whole other level of this and it felt like it was the beginning of something very new for me.

Sid: Now, God gives you visions, did it pretty much start there or had that been most of your life?

Ruth: Good question, I think, let’s say it increased, it increased at that time.  I think that it’s that kind of senses that when you start to realize that God is speaking and wanting to make Himself known all the time then your expectation of actually hearing from Him or seeing what He’s saying I think increases.

Sid: Well, the next year 1995 you had been soaking in the presence of God, I understand that you would stay till 2:30 in the morning.

Ruth: Oh yeah, sometimes I would have had a concert in Toronto city, you know concerts finish around 10:30 at night, I’d get in my car and I’d head out to the church because I knew that probably even the main part of the meeting hadn’t finished.  But the ministry time would go one for so long.  And so yeah, I had many many encounters with the Lord in that context and it seemed like everything would start to happen after midnight.

Sid: You know, I noticed that too.  I think that it has to do with the fact that the only ones that will be there after midnight are the ones hungry for God.  Otherwise, people are sleeping at midnight.  Ha-ha.

Ruth: Ha-ha.

Sid: So the next year in 1995 you had a visitation which you really didn’t understand, where Jesus gave you a violin bow.

Ruth: Yeah, oh that was amazing, it was kind of these, it was the end of a meeting and I was laying on the floor at the back of the church and just waiting, just waiting for him you know.  And I felt like I saw Him coming towards me and He was holding, like He was holding out in His hand a bow, He was carrying it towards me and I sort of saw myself stand, I was laying there but I saw myself stand up and He put the bow in my hand and He said, “Here Ruth, this one’s for you, I think you might want to have this one.”  And I didn’t, really I didn’t understand it at that the time except that I knew that it was kind of commissioning; it was kind of, He was giving me something new.  And actually even now as we’re talking I realize what happened next because it was sort of within a year or so that I did the first recording with the violin where I was feeling that I was to just just to play and to let the Holy Spirit come.  And it was all spontaneous and just trust that somehow the Holy Spirit would invade the space wherever it was being played, wherever people would hear it, whoever would hear it so.

Sid: But then a couple years later you had a visitation which Jesus totally clarified what He was doing.

Ruth: Yes, yes then it became even more specific, that’s right.  I remember I had just dropped my daughter off at school and I came back home.  I just felt like the Lord said like, “Just come and sit down a minute,” and so I did and I just waiting and I heard Him say, “Ruth it’s time for a new bow.”  And after thinking, what’s this you know, and then He said, “Reach up and take it.”  So I stood up and I put my hands up to take the bow and it was so heavy like, now heavy in a bad way, heavy in a weighty kind of way and a glory kind of way.  And it was so heavy I just fell to the ground because I realized I could not carry this bow, this bow was something very different.  And then He said, “This bow is a bow of healing, righteousness and forgiveness.”

Sid: What does that mean?  What did it mean to you?

Ruth: Well, not a lot at the time. Ha-ha.  At the time I didn’t understand it, I knew that it was real, I think I knew a little bit about the healing aspect because I’d already seen how God would touch people’s hearts in the context of playing the violin.  And so I’d seen that the way the people would encounter the Lord.  The forgiveness part, I didn’t, you know I didn’t really actually if I think about it now I’m not quite sure how much I understand that part.  The righteousness part though, that sense of His Holiness, that sense of then what He called me to do just a few years later when He asked me to write this piece based on poetry of the children from the Holocaust.  And so it really, as soon as you enter into that whole realm of you know, where is God in those kinds of times.  You never typically encounter His righteousness because you have to acknowledge in all things His righteous and that you know even when we don’t understand that He is good, that He is righteous.

Sid: Now did you see, now by that time you were playing the violin at the Toronto Church but did you see a difference in the anointing after that visitation?

Ruth: I felt it, certainly people said they did.  I’m always, I always seem to be the last one.

Sid: I understand exactly.

Ruth: It’s like everybody else see’s it and they go, “wow,” and I’m going oh, well I was just playing you know.  But, yeah I think more of a sense when I was playing very specific things I think there was an increase in authority.  Like before I would play my violin and it was really lovely to play before the Lord and sometimes I would feel what I was playing was maybe a Word from Him, but He was somehow speaking.  But I think when I started to see was an increase in the sense of the authority that God had stood me in, that now…

Sid: Well, I think that it so phenomenal when you play over people.  Tomorrow I want you, well we’ll play a selection.

Sid: My guest Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov.  Alyosha is a World Class Concert Pianist, but you know Alyosha there’s been such a change, I’ve known you for many years and there has been a such a change in even as you’ve explained you know in the former Soviet Union.  You won awards and competitions and you’ve come from a long line of musicians, but there was a major turning point in your personal life which then affected your music tell me about that.

Alyosha: Well, when I realized that it’s a lot of effort to practice for a two hour concert and I did not want to do it.  At one point God began to speak to me and teach me and He said, “You know maybe I’m not looking for classical musicians in my Kingdom, but I’m looking for those that will worship Me in the Spirit and in Truth.  And I received a new desire to create music for His glory.  And that actually took quite a process and I had, in that process I had several encounters with God and the main encounter I had was when I truly truly experienced His love; that really affected the music.

Sid: You mean previous to that you had not experienced His love?

Alyosha: Not to the same degree, I mean as a believer I had already created some music and I believe that God’s love was flowing through it, but I myself did not know to the degree that God wanted me to know.  Because God is love and you know…

Sid: And by the way, speaking about love, I have here in my notes that you say, “Love has the highest frequency.”  That sort of sounds almost like scripture where it says, “Love never fails.”

Alyosha: Correct, yeah.  That scripture, “God is love,” there’s nothing in the world that is higher than God.  As a matter of fact scripture says you know, “If you’re not comfortable with love, then you’re not comfortable with God.”

Sid: And Jody, as you point out the opposite of fear is love, the opposite of love is fear.

Jody: Right, a lot of people try to just pray away fear or cast out fear, but it cannot really be cast out, it must be replaced with love, an experiential love in the very core of one’s heart and mind and that is something that only the relationship, an intimate relationship with God can do.  And most of us never really got copious amounts of affection love and having parents be presents and look at us with eye contact.

Sid: But we had imperfect parents so what do you expect because they had imperfect parents.

Jody: Exactly, so we’re all really destined to turn to God and there’s is only one way to get there and that is thru Yeshua the Messiah because He paid full price for us to get all the way to the heart of the Father.  Through what He did for us so we can get to the Father God, His love and experience that through Yeshua Himself and so that is what really displaces fear.

Alyosha: Let me in interject this, it doesn’t matter what kind of parents we have, there is a wonderful verse that has to be reality in my life and that is Psalm 27 verse 11.  And it says, “When your Father and Mother will forsake you I will take care of you.”  We have a parent that is the highest being in the Universe.

Sid: Alyosha you had a mentor who is now in Heaven by the name of Jack Frost.  What did he teach you that allowed you to transition into this perfect love?

Alyosha: I heard of Jack Frost first time in the year 2000 and he taught this message, you know that Our Father really loves us and that it is, you know we have hard time receiving His love. Because of our pain and hurts and experiences we had with our Father and Mother, but that is why Yeshua came to heal the broken hearts; He came to heal us so that we would be able to freely receive the love from our Heavenly Daddy.  It was absolutely a wonderful message and I listened to it for years and years and years but listening to the message is one thing, experiencing it is another.  God’s love must be experienced; it took several years before I went to one of the Schools that Jack started for ministers.  A school that lasted one month and it was a lot of difficulty even getting there because you know it’s a lot of money, I have to leave all my responsibilities and go, but I went.  And besides the great teaching, what I received was a group of people that had been processed by God’s love.  And they would just surround you and they would comfort you and for the first time I was in the company of people that you know I didn’t feel like I would have to tell them, “You know I’m a great ministry, I’m a Concert Pianist, I’m a this and that.”  I knew that I was loved with all my failures and all my problems; they loved me because love is unconditional.

Sid: Now, out of curiosity, is it easy for you now to love other people the way you were loved?

Alyosha: Much easier because you know, I’ve experienced it.  And not only that, but when I compose music I ask God to release God’s compassion to my heart and I have no problem you know feeling it flow.

Sid: Well, give us a tip for those that haven’t walked in that realm, give us some tips in how to walk in that realm.

Alyosha: Well, let me just give you first one experience that really transformed me because that was really the major, major transformation in my life.  In that school there was one big man and he didn’t teach much, he would just kind of sneak behind you and he would catch you in his arms and he would begin to bless you with a Father’s Blessing.  And I was uncomfortable with such closeness with man because I didn’t feel close to God, you know, I wasn’t comfortable being close to a man.  And he was strong and big and I’m small and my goodness.

Sid: So he overpowered you.

Alyosha: Overpowered me.

Sid: He overpowered you with love though.  Ha ha.

Alyosha: And he would begin to say “Father, give him all the love that he missed growing up.”  And he’d begin to bless me and I began to feel his heart.  It’s hard to describe because after this a cried for twenty five days straight.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity did you cry much before that?

Alyosha: Almost never because I was taught that men need to be strong, they don’t need to show emotion and all that and in a sense my family suffered because I did not know how to release the fullness of intimacy to Jody, to my wife and to my children.

Sid: Jody what difference have you seen in Alyosha since he’s experienced God’s love?

Jody: Well, the first thing I would say is that he is more sensitive, more attentive, sensitive to God to hearing the voice of God, and to me as his wife.  And then the first thing that really happened when he walked through the door after experiencing this kind of deep intimate love in his heart, not just in his head because he’s a brilliant man, so it’s easy for him to know the scriptures, but what happened when it hit his heart was a total transformation.  As soon as he walked through the door you could feel the difference, I started crying, I just looked at him and started crying, not just out of joy from seeing him which I definitely missed him, but I could sense that there was a change.  And now what we’re doing is we go out to the nations of the world and here in the United States is that we’re sharing this music and the experience of God’s love in the heart and we’re watching that not only transform our lives and our children, but also other peoples’ lives and this is what excites me more than anything else.

Sid: Are you seeing a difference in his music since he had this encounter?

Jody: His music has totally changed; it’s not the same music and not only that, but he gets on the piano now and he’ll start to hear the Lord minister.  The Lord speaks their words of love and he’ll start to repeat what he’s hearing in his heart and in his spirit which is aloud now and it’s totally different than anything he did before.

Sid: Let’s hear some from “The Lord is My Healer.”

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; you must be on the edge of your seat wanting to find out the rest of this story, you see Delores Winder was a strong strong Bible believing Christian but she believe miracles had ceased.  But she had her youngest son who was, she didn’t want to die until she knew that he’d be taken care of, you see she had a disease in which all of her bones were deteriorating and she was in such unbearable pain.  And they only do this for people that are terminal; they gave her two operations in which they burned out the nerve centers in her brain so that she would not experience pain.  It’s not a reversible operation; they only do it if they know that you’re going to die.  And her body organs started closing down and she reached a point where they sent her home to die.  But there was a woman that she was told about and of course she had heard of this woman, and she thought that she was a big fake, Kathryn Kulman because she would see these miracles and she would see people falling over in the Spirit and she just couldn’t stand it.  But she had the distinct impression that if she went to this meeting, not to be healed, but she would find out what to do with her youngest son, Chris and how he’d be taken care of.  She literally said to God, she had the chutzpa; she had the nerve to say to God, “I’m not leaving this earth until I know my son is going to be taken care of.”  So she went to the Kathryn Kulman meeting.  They carried her out of the car, took her in, she couldn’t stand what she was seeing, so she literally closed her eyes, but the Holy Spirit started talking to her and explaining, in fact you had a vision Delores Winder of what would happen to your son.  Because the Holy Spirit would be with him where he would go, after you had that vision did that bring you comfort?

Delores: Oh, the peace was so great and I knew I could go home and it wasn’t only for Chris, but for Bill also and that they would be at peace.

Sid: Even though you had that peace you were wrestling with a headache too.

Delores: Oh, I had a horrible headache, yes.  But that didn’t bother me because I knew I had my answer for Chris.

Sid: But all of a sudden your legs start there like on fire.

Delores: Yes, and as Dale prepared me to get me out of there my legs were burning and I also knew somebody else existed that night, satan the devil spoke to me and said, “Aren’t you glad you only wear your cast one hour a day now?”  Because I only needed it on when I was up and I would sit up for an hour a day with Bill and Chris and I agreed with that voice.  And I thought “Oh, I can’t wait to get the cast off.”  Because that voice said, “That bone that is sticking out, see he makes it very logical, the bone that is sticking out is putting pressure and that cast is putting pressure on that bone and it’s making your legs burn and it was almost unbearable.”  And just as I was ready for Dale to pick me a man was down by my chair and he said to me, “Something’s happening to you.”  And I said “My legs are on fire.”  And he said, “Would you walk with me, and I said “Get me out of here.”  And he helped me up and realized I couldn’t walk and he said, “How can I help you?”  And I said, “Put one arm around me and take my other arm and with my cane I can shuffle.”  And we started out and he said to me “Have you ever had any surgery?”  Well, anyone in my condition you would almost know they had surgery and I said to him, “I have had four spinal fusions and two percutaneous cordotomies.”  Now, nobody knew what percutaneous cordotomies were and so they wouldn’t ask any more questions, they would say, “Oh.”

Sid: That’s your way of dismissing this man.

Delores: Yes, and this man turned me to face him and he said, “You’ve had two percutaneous cordotomies and your legs are burning, isn’t that rather strange?”

Sid: Well that’s right you have no feeling in your legs, how could they burn?

Delores: Yeah, and I just looked at him and I thought, “He knows what I’m talking about and nobody ever did” but I wouldn’t respond to him and then he started me walking back out again.  We got to the doors to go out the lobby, and he said, “You don’t know what’s happening to you, but you can take your cast off if you want to.” And my instant reaction was, “Dear God, these people are dangerous, this man telling me I could take my cast off who knew nothing about me.”  And I looked at him, but I saw something in him that I knew that he knew something I didn’t know and he said to me again, “Would you want to take it off?”  And you know Sid, I found out a lot of people don’t want to come out of the illness, but I said to him, “I have been in one of these things for over fifteen years and I’m dying.”  And he shook his head and I knew he knew and I said, “Of course I want to take it off.”  The next thing I knew he had me in the woman’s restroom and I’m leaning against the wall and Dale’s there and she says, “Get her cast off of her and get her out to me.”  But when he walked out that restroom anything that I sensed with him in the present was gone and I’m trying to take my cast off and Dale said, “Delores, this isn’t like you, is something different?”  And I said, “No.”  She said, “This isn’t like you,” and I started fastening the cast back up and that man came back in.  And as soon as he walked through that door I knew, “Get me to him, get me out of this and get me to him.”  And he was a doctor from Johns Hopkins Hospital that the Lord sent in there that day, and he came off platform because he had the word of knowledge of my healing.

Sid: So, he picked you out of how many people were in the audience?

Delores: Three thousand.

Sid: And he walks right up to you?

Delores: Yes.

Sid: Because God sent him off the platform with a Word of Knowledge to walk right up to you.  Okay, so you got this cast off, what happened next?

Delores: Then an usher carried me in and Kathryn was waiting for him and turned and said, “What do you have their doctor?”  And as she said, that was the first I knew that he was a doctor and he said, a spine. She said, “Bring her here immediately.”  And they took me up on platform.  And Sid, I was so in my traditional way, and I thought, “Oh, I’m being put in that side show, and all I could think was, “Well at least nobody here knows me but Dale.”  Kathryn made me give my name and where I lived before I left the platform and later she said to me, “You know why I did that don’t you, pride.”  And they got me up on platform and she said to the doctor, Richard O’Ellen, “Tell the people what’s wrong.”  And he said, “All I know is that she has had four spinal fusions and percutaneous cordotomies and her legs are on fire and that’s not possible.”  And he had two other men on stage hold me up while he went to the mike and they had me in an awkward position and I thought if they let go of me I’m going to fall and I’ll fall flat on my face.  And so I had to push my one foot out to kind of get a balance and she I did it came up off the floor and when it came down I thought, “I feel the floor, no, you can’t feel the floor.”  But again I had to get the other foot out because the right leg went out too far, and I pulled my left leg up and it came off the floor and I felt the floor.  And I said, “I can’t feel the floor.”  But all of a sudden the feeling came in my finger tips, my right side, my arm and hands was also free of any feeling.  And feeling started in my finger tips in my right hand and started coming up and when it got up to my waist, they said I started screaming, “I can feel, I can feel.”  And that didn’t mean anything to her because she had no idea what he was talking about.  And she said to me, “Walk.”  And I told her, I can’t.  And she said again, “Walk.”  And as I started walking they said, “I ran, came back and she said…

Sid: You had to be carried into the meeting, and you ran?

Delores: Yes, yes, and when I got back to where she was she said, “Bend over.”  And all the further the doctors bend me was a very short ways and they couldn’t bend me anymore.  And I started bending over realizing I had no pain, I had feeling and I bent over and she said, “Do it again, and the second time I did it, I touched the floor with my hands and from then on it was very difficult for me because I didn’t really, I was in such a fog by that time.

Sid: Did she pray for you?

Delores: No, no and then she said to me, “Just turn around.”  And I turned around and when I did one of the doctors who were sitting on platform, who did not like any of this at all and thought it was a plant and this was a show, and he said, “He happened to look because just a real hush fell.”  And when it fell, he said, “He looked up and he said he saw my body straightening.”  And he introduced me the next year at the Methodist conference and said, “You know, I saw it happen, no one can say it doesn’t.”  But anyway, she touched me and I went down and when they got me up she said…

Sid: But wait a second, you didn’t believe, you thought that was all fake when people were falling down when she touched them.

Delores: In my world this is what I believed.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, I just hate to do it, but we have to stop right now, but wait until you read the full story…

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Speaking of supernatural, I heard music the other day in my car and it, I believe that when you hear this in a little while that you are going to experience healing deliverance like you’ve never heard before. There’s something so supernatural about it. Then I found out the artist, I’d actually never heard of him, but I had heard of the movie “Fireproof”, and it was the theme music from “Fireproof”. And the song, “While I’m Waiting,” you’re probably familiar with that song, John Waller writes music that breaks curses and releases blessings. It’s so wonderful, it’s so supernatural. But I’d like you to experience “While I’m Waiting.”

John: I’m waiting, I’m waiting on you Lord. I am peaceful. I’m waiting on you Lord. Though it’s not easy, no, but faithfully I will wait. Yes, I will wait. And I will move ahead bold and confident taking every step in obedience. While I’m waiting, I will serve you. While I’m waiting, I will worship. While I’m waiting, I will not face reverting the race even while I’m waiting.

Sid: You know, the song, “While I’m Waiting”, it was from the number one independent movie called “Fireproof”. Many of you have seen that movie. And the song, “While I’m Waiting”, it’s really amazing. It’s got a totally different meaning to John Waller. But John, it’s hard to believe, but you got really upset over a girlfriend. You’re just, what, 12 years of age.

John: Twelve years old.

Sid: You get upset. You get so upset that your mother takes you to a doctor. Why?

John: Well you know, there’s history and depression in my family. My grandmother always suffered from depression, my mother. You know, all my life my mother suffered from that. And so when she saw me get upset about losing this first girlfriend that lasted three weeks long, she just turned to my dad and she said, “I can tell he’s got it. He’s got it.” She just thought, hey, you know, he’s showing signs of depression.

Sid: So they take you to the doctor.

John: Take me to the doctor. He spends about 30 or 40 minutes with me and interviews me, a 12-year-old kid, and within a half an hour he diagnoses me as, back then, we called it manic depression. It’s called bipolar disorder today.

Sid: So as young kid, you were on medicine. What was your life like?

John: Well that day he wrote me a prescription and for the next 20 years of my life, I was on every kind of medication that pharmaceutical companies put out, just to try to get it under control.

Sid: Did you ever believe that you would be free?

John: You know, for most of that 20 years I did not believe it. I had learned to accept it. In fact, you know, it’s become such a way of the world. You know, so many people suffer from depression. And so I just figured it was something I was going to have to live with, a crutch, something God would use in my life as a testimony.

Sid: But you know, what you have described is a classic definition of a curse.

John: Absolutely.

Sid: I believe when his mother said, “He’s got it,” that’s when that happened. And for 20 years, he went through this suffering of depression not feeling or even believing that he’d ever be free. At age 23, John got married. But you still suffered with depression.

John: My poor wife. You know, she put up with so much, you know, me sleeping all the time, me going up and down. You know, when I would be on a medic she never knew what I was going to go out and buy. When I was on a low, she never knew when I was going to come out of it. But the Lord knew what He was doing when he gave me my sweet wife, Josie, because she endured that for so many years of our marriage.

Sid: And then things even got worse. You had a record deal. You finally got it.

John: Well almost. I came close. The record deal was, to me, the pinnacle of success. If I could just achieve that, you know, maybe I would be happy then. So almost got it, but then at the last minute it all fell apart. And that’s when I went to my very lowest point in my life.

Sid: Let’s go to a clip by his wife and find out exactly what he was like.

Josie: Well when John and I got married, with his depression, he was on four different types of medication and the emotional rollercoaster, he was up and down all the time. He slept all the time. He took care of our two children because I went to school full time and was working, as well. And I would come home and, you know, the kids weren’t fed. The diapers weren’t changed. It was just like he was a zombie, almost, walking around. You know, he couldn’t focus on anything. It was very difficult and unpeaceful in our home.