Sid Roth

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have no limits; it’s time to take the limits off of God.  It’s time to proclaim that “It’s Not Over.” I have Ricardo Sanchez on the telephone and we’re talking about his amazing CD “It’s Not Over.”  But from a life experience he’s literally, God has giving him a ministry because everyone is dealing with one or more serious problems in their life.  And some feel they’re hopeless, but when people go to his concerts or hear his teaching supernatural hope is infused and things turn around.  Well how would you like a report your 9 year old son was in a diving accident in the swimming pool, and he has less than 1% to recover, his prognosis is to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair; maybe a breathing tube, a breathing machine, the tube coming out of his neck.  So you get this report, you worship God, your oblivious to the people, did you feel a breakthrough at that time or you don’t know what you felt?

Ricardo:  Sid I wish I could say that on the airplane when I got the texts from my wife and the phone call that I believed in faith the whole time and that the plane got saved.  That just wasn’t my ending, that wasn’t, or my beginning I should say.  To be quite honest with you I responded quite naturally I was intimidated, I don’t like using the word fear because I have God “Whom shall I fear.”  So the word intimidated comes to mind, I felt like I was about to enter into this battle and I was very nervous and I was in the airplane and I just remember tapping into those old hymns “Amazing Grace,” “Oh the Blood of Jesus,” “Something About that Name.”  And that seemed to be the sliver of hope that I needed to allow the anointing of God, the Balm of Gilead to begin to flow and to begin to heal those areas.  Not just in my life but of my sons, my blood line, those that are carrying on my name and it was through that worship experience that the presence of God began to flow through.  And the song “It’s Not Over” again began to bubble up in my spirit and that’s where I felt it was in that moment of falling on my face in the terminal and crying out to God that the presence of God began to saturate my situation, begin to saturate.  I believe even though I was in Jacksonville I believe that at that very time God began to move in Atlanta, Georgia in my sons body, in the doctors hands, in the ex-rays in the prognosis.  I begin I believe Spirit of God begin to flow in our entire circumstance.

Sid: Now tell me what the firefighter said that loaded your son in the helicopter.

Ricardo: Hmm, Sid this firefighter who had been a firefighter for over 9 years he said “In my 9 years of experience I’ve never seen anybody whether it’s an adult or a young person sustain this kind of injury and ever survive.  So prepare your heart for the worse.

Sid: So although you couldn’t see anything with your eyes I believe that there was a major breakthrough that occurred when you were not ashamed of God, you didn’t care what man thought and you, right in the middle of the airport, you start worshiping your God with every fiber of your being.

Ricardo: Yeah.

Sid: I believe things started changing.

Ricardo: Sid, that’s a great way to describe it because that’s exactly what it was every fiber of my being; I was unashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ I needed God to move.  In those moments I heard it said “Adversity doesn’t build character but it reveals it.”  And Jesus said “What’s in a man comes out of man,” what they’re made of your character will be speak in those moments of desperation. For me when we heard that paramedic say that, Jeanette had told me this I had nothing left Sid it had emptied the tank, but in the midst of that I hit the floor and begin to worship God and just begin to cry out to Him and begin to ask for His Healing power to touch my son.

Sid: Tell me about the song we’re going to play right now “I’m Not Ashamed?”

Ricardo:  Well, it was kind of one of those moments, I has in Phoenix, Arizona at a concert my record label at the time had gotten us phenomenal seats to sit in about the tenth row.  As the artist is playing and singing there’s a young woman probably 23-24 years old dancing lifting her hands in the air and as a Pentecostal Worship Leader who believes in the Full Gospel I could obviously see she was speaking in tongues, lifting her hands praying in the Spirit.  Well there was a couple behind her that were mocking her, making fun of the way that she worshiped laughing mimicking her, mimicking her in mockery.  And what grabbed my heart as a Worship Leader is I saw this daughter of the woman that was worshiping just so enamored it was almost like her mother was teaching her how to worship.  And I thought “What an attack upon this young girl and her mother in a beautiful moment.”  And right when I was about to say something to this group of people who are making fun of that…you know my father’s a Retired Command Sargent Major in the United States Army and so right when my father’s voice was about to out of me to correct these people my wife nudged me, and the Spirit of God nudged my spirit at the exact same time God spoke to me.  And sometimes my wife and the Spirit of God are the exact same person to be quite honest.  But it was in that moment that God said “These people have no idea of what’s like to be fully dependent upon me for rent, for food, for sustaining life.  This woman is unashamed and could careless who’s watching her worship me.  And I remember going home that evening picking up my guitar and writing “I gonna Dance for You like nobody’s watching me.”

Sid: “I Am Not Ashamed” by Ricardo Sanchez.

Worship excerpt “I Am Not Ashamed”

Sid: Because Ricardo Sanchez was not ashamed God began to move from a 1% chance of survival his son.  I mean he had these pictures of his son being in a wheelchair his whole life, his son having a breathing tube coming out of his neck, a breathing machine.  But he had a breakthrough and I believe that the breakthrough that God has for you is…did you feel the anointing, the presence as Ricardo preaches and teaches about this.  And the presence of God on his music, that’s an anointing and that anointing will remove the limits God has.  I don’t care what problem you have, but as you listen to his CD “It’s Not Over,” and this book, and his teaching CD the anointing is going to cause the same breakthrough that occurred for Ricardo’s son that you’re about ready to hear in your life.  I don’t care whether it’s marriage, I don’t care whether it’s finances, I don’t care whether it’s health, I don’t care whether it’s a flat spirit of depression; I tell you it’s not over.”

SID: A key to understanding the move of God’s spirit is found in the Book of Corinthians, in which God says, “First the natural and then the spiritual.” Watch what God does in the natural. It always has a repercussion on the spiritual. Let me give you some examples. All these major revivals that I’m about ready to tell you about, the biggest the world has ever known, all connected with Israel. For instance, 1897 was the first Zionist Congress. A Zionist believes the Jewish people are entitled to the physical Land of Israel unconditionally, forever. The first Zionist, let’s get it straight, was God, not Theodore Herzl. Right after that came Azusa Street and the Pentecostal revival. 1948, Israel became a nation. You know what happened in ’48? Men and women were touched by the Spirit of God and had tents all over America. Oral Roberts. T.L. Osborn, Kenneth Hagen, all of these people, just raised up instantly. 1967, Jerusalem in Jewish possession. You know what happened? You know what that triggered? Nothing short of the charismatic revival. Isaiah 43:19, and I feel this so strongly, “For I’m about to do something new. See, I’ve already begun. Do you not see it?” What has he begun? The one new man. Let me explain this to you. John 17:21: “And they,” that’s Jew and gentile, “all may be one.” Some people say “they” is Catholics and Baptists, except for one thing. When Jesus said that, they didn’t exist. There were only two people groups: Jews and gentiles. So Jesus said, “I pray that they,” Jews and gentiles, “may be one.” What’s the repercussion? That the world may believe. Somehow it’s a catalyst when these two people groups get together. Their spiritual DNA merges. I’m getting a little ahead of myself because I’m getting excited. You know what happens when these two spiritual DNAs merge? John 17:21, I just read to you. John 17:22, it tells you what happens. Jesus says, “The same glory that is on you will be on them.” You want to see that same glory on you? I want to see that same glory. Ephesians, Chapter 2, Verse 14 and 15, and 22: “For he himself is our peace who has made both Jew and gentile one and is broken down the middle wall of separation.” You see, there was a separation between Jews and gentiles. So here it is in Ephesians 2. I just read 14, 15. Here’s Verse 22: “In whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” And in Verse 15 it says, “And so as to create in himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.” The Hebrew word for “peace” is completeness. So it’s saying when that occurs, we’re going to make a complete dwelling place of God for God by His spirit. You see the repercussions of what I’m saying about? Now Psalm 122:6, you can understand a major promise. It’s the only city in all of Scripture God commands us to pray for with a special blessing if you’ll do that. He says, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.” What’s the Hebrew word for peace? Shalom. What does shalom mean? Completeness. What is completeness? Jew and gentile being one in the Messiah. “Pray for the completeness of Jerusalem.” And it makes a promise, as if we need a promise for this. But God says, “May they,” who’s they, “Jew and gentle prosper.” And in the Hebrew prosper means “heart peace”. How would you like this day and age we’re living in, how would you like heart peace? God says, if you pray for these two people to become one you’re going to have heart peace. That’s His promise to you. Ezekiel 47:9 says in the Amplified, and it’s talking about the River of God, and it says, “Wherever the double river shall go every living creature shall live.” What’s the double river? Jew and gentile. One in Messiah. One in Yeshua. Wherever that double river goes people are going to live. Romans 11:15 says, “If their being castaway is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead.” I believe we’re about on the cutting edge of the greatest move of God’s spirit to cause Jewish people to come to know him, to form the one new man for the release of the greatest miracles the world has ever seen, life from the dead miracles, resurrection life miracles, limbs being restored. That’s what we’re about ready to see. Are you ready to see that? I’m ready to see that. I’m ready to see. Jesus said, “You are going to do the same works that I have done and even greater.” This is the greater. You ready? I’m ready.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

SID: You know, this is real life. This is not fiction. This is not wearing a cloak and looking so good on the outside. These two people, Bob and Audrey Meisner, are being transparent with you to help you so they will make a difference in your life. So Audrey finds out from the affair that she had, she has a baby. The baby is biracial. There’s no way to cover this up. She goes to Bob. Bob, what did you think?

BOB: I wanted to escape. I wanted to get out. But the counsel that I got from my pastor was this. Because I wanted to sleep on that couch that very first night, I wanted to go to a hotel, I wanted to leave, and he says, no, you’re going to get right back into your marriage bed tonight. You will not spend night apart from each other, because we will not participate with the spirit of divorce. That’s hard, but you see, that’s my father’s heart. We resigned our positions from pastoring from the television ministry, and we went to a place of safety to get help for our family. God supernaturally provided for us in ways of work and in the ways of home, because I didn’t know if we would ever be happy again a day in our lives. But I knew that divorce was not the answer.

SID: But wait a second. You move from one country, Canada, to the United States. You have no job. How much  money did you have?

BOB: Not too much money.

SID: You have a pregnant wife, three children.

BOB: Yes.

SID: I mean, you are really like Abraham, going into new land.

BOB: I was willing to fight for my family. You see, when you want to step in the supernatural, you need to embrace the truth of God. You see, God has a preferred future for my life, for my marriage, for my wife and for my children, and divorce was not the answer. I needed the heart of God for my wife.

SID: Now what did you do with the child your wife was carrying, knowing the child was biracial. That must have been tough.

BOB: The biggest question that I had was this, would I believe to love this baby as my own. I know what it’s like to have a small child crawl up your leg and look into your eyes and say, “daddy”, and I knew what my heart was, and it was not your daddy. There was a transformation that was required by me. I knew that our love for each other, you know, our natural love had waned. It wasn’t sufficient to take us to where we needed to be. We needed God’s supernatural love. He transformed my heart by me knowing how much He loved me. We went through months of difficulty, good days, bad days, and some were better than others.

SID: Audrey, did you consider an abortion? I guess not, because you were raised as a Christian.

AUDREY: You know, Sid, there’s nothing I believe about abortion. When you’re that desperate, I was so desperate, Sid. I had been a Jesus girl, I had been in ministry. Now my kids are going to be messed up. I’m going to be disqualified. I’m going to be known for the most stupid and selfish thing I have ever done. And I remember exactly where I was in my kitchen when my made that phone call to the abortion clinic. And they said, you don’t even have to come in. We’ll just send you 10 pills in the mail, and just take one pill every week and your problem will be over. And I hung up the phone, and I said, “I don’t know if that’s the answer, but I can’t live through this. I can’t live through the whole idea. I’m so scared.” And I went to my knees and I said, “God, I won’t have an abortion, but I’m begging you, if you love me, you will give me a miscarriage, because I can’t carry this.” I think back now the reason I cried is because I’m so thankful that God did not answer that prayer, because what I was really praying for was God to evacuate me out of my circumstances. But God in His love said, “Audrey, I’m going to walk with you through every moment.”

SID: Bob, how in the world did you tell your three children? What were their ages? What happened.

BOB: 15, 13 and 10 years old. We just had a family meeting.

AUDREY: We were scared. We were so scared.

SID: I’m sure.

BOB: They walked in seeing their parents sitting on the floor crying. I immediately got up and I pulled a large queen-size blanket from the bed. With Audrey seated on the floor, I took this blanket and I covered her from head to foot. I knelt down beside her and I wrapped my arms around her, and I looked deep into my children’s eyes, and I said, “Kids, this is what God does when we make a mistake. He comes to us, He covers us, and He wraps His arms around us and He says, ‘I will never leave you, I will never forsake you.’” With Audrey covered and held in my arms, I looked into their eyes and said, “I love your mom. She’s so precious to us. I’m not going anywhere. We’re a family. We belong with each other.” And I just spoke as much security to them as I could. And with her covered and held in my arms, I said, “Kids, you’re going to have a baby brother.” Immediately, my older two began to cry, but my daughter, 13, she smiles as big anything. She looks as me and she says, “Daddy, we’re having a baby.” She sees my pain and cries, but she can’t contain her excitement. “Daddy, we’re having a baby.” I knew that we were going to be okay. And again, good months, bad months. But it was several months later that we found ourselves in the hospital. It was time for this little boy to be born.

SID: Now what did you name this little boy, Robert, what did you name him?

BOB: I gave him my name, Robert. His middle name is Theodore, and Theodore means “divine gift”.

SID: Is he gift?

BOB: He’s not accident. He’s not a mistake. He’s not the result of a sexual affair. He’s born out of the heart of God just as my other three children, and entrusted into me. He is the greatest gift, one of the greatest gifts I’ve ever received.

SID: Audrey, tell me about your son, Robert.

AUDREY: Oh he’s just brought so much joy to our home. And I think back, and all the lies the enemy told me about our kids being messed and that we would never laugh again or dream again, all those were because of just the power of what Jesus really can do. Our kids all love God. Our little Robert is now 11 years old, and he’s such a piece of work. He keeps us all laughing.

BOB: I struggled with would I be able to love this baby as my own. That was my biggest one. And my pastor knew that, and I questioned him many times. And one day he came to me, because I had other people bringing confusing points. Bob, you can’t love this baby. You’re doing so good. Give this baby up for adoption, all of these types of things. And one day, I was with him and I said, what do I do? And he says, “Bob, there’s a baby on your doorstep. What do you do? Will you participate with this fatherless generation or will you become a father to the fatherless? The rest is up to you. It’s time to grow up.”

SID: Hold that thought. But this is what I observed. I am overwhelmed. I am blown out of the water of the love I see between these two. I mean, it’s nothing of the transparency I see between these two. It’s about time for there to be transparency and reality. When we come back, I’m going to ask them to give you some keys as to why they have this and why you’re going to have this. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jim Richards. And have you ever been to a doctor and the doctor says, “Well does your mother or father have cancer, have heart trouble? Oh they did?” And he writes this down. Basically you got in your genes. You either have good genes or bad genes. But even science is finding that’s not true any more. Jim, explain from your studies and from the study of the Bible, your studies in the medical area and your studies in the Bible what you have found out.

JIM: What we have discovered now, and the Bible taught this, but it used different language. What we’ve discovered is that the experiences that go all the way back to when we were in the womb and actually can be taken from generation to generation, and it’s not that they’re curses. I want to say that. We understand that cellular memory, once something stays in a family for up to three generations, by that fourth generation you’re kind of hardwired for that. Like if you live in poverty for three generations, from there on you come into the world wired and expect to believe in poverty. And likewise, as people have painful emotions, they have painful experience, the Bible calls that an offense. It’s a pain that we take inside that literally that goes into our body, into our cells. You know, the Book of Proverbs says it this way. It says, “The words of wicked are wicked words.” It says, “They go into us and lie in wait for our blood.” The Book of Jeremiah says that, “The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked.” Who could know it, in the Hebrew it actually says, “The heart is covered with footprints and makes it become chaotic.” See, we have these experiences in life.

SID: Is that why people have difficulty changing behavior, someone addicted to like over-eating or drugs, whichever.

JIM: Yeah, exactly. See, behavior modification doesn’t change anything on the inside. Behavior modification is where you just try harder. And one day you get tired of trying harder and you fail. Because you see, inwardly, literally in the cells of our body, and Paul said this. He said, “Inwardly I belie that to the law of God.” But he said, “I see it work in my members and in my mind.” That word “members” is literally parts. He said, there’s something in my body parts that literally wars against the law of God. And the law of God is the law of spirit in life. And what we know that is are cellular memories that literally become imprinted in the cells of our body. Now what makes this so interesting is since God spoke everything into existence, those words are literally frequencies. Every word that God spoke has a specific frequency. And we know now that my liver has a certain frequency, that if it doesn’t stay at that frequency it’s not healthy. My heart has a certain frequency. Every organ in my body has a certain frequency.

SID: Now what gets the organ out of frequency?

JIM: When I am hurt, when I hold an offense in, when I get a pain and I don’t send that pain away, and the words “send away” literally means to forgive. When I don’t send that away I hold on to it. That’s what Jesus said. He said, when somebody sins against you, he wasn’t talking about, I can forgive your sins in the place of God. He said, when somebody sins you can forgive, you can send it away, he says, or you can retain it. There’s two choices. You send it away or you hold on to it. If I hold on to hurt, that hurt literally becomes a vibration inside every cell of my body that causes my liver possibly to not really vibrate at that perfect frequency that God spoke into existence, or my heart. And so I’m trying to get healed, but I’m holding on to hurt and pain that’s causing me to stay sick.

SID: Okay. And behavior modification, the frequency stays the same. So no wonder people start going in a big circle. Behavior modification usually makes it worse, because in behavior modification you always fail. You always try hard, fail, get up and try hard, fail. And those failures actually cause you to start having negative feelings of guilt and they exacerbate the problem.

SID: I’m amazed how science is confirming what the Bible says.

JIM: Oh yes.

SID: But you were talking about someone that would have, say, a heart transplant or an organ transplant, and talk about, not just the emotions, even memories are in those cells. Tell me one.

JIM: There was a landmark case where a child received a heart. And the moment this child came out of surgery she began having dreams about being murdered, and it was so challenging that they tracked down who the donor was. And the donor came from a child that had been murdered. And in a landmark case they used the dreams of the child who had received this heart, because she was dreaming the memories of this child that had been killed, and they got a description of the man who murdered the child, found him and prosecuted him based on the memories that were stored in that heart.

SID: So how do you get your body wired the way God originally intended, so if you will, the frequencies of your body are just a perfect symphony. If you can’t do it through behavior modification how can you do it?

JIM: You know, you do it through what the Bible calls, put off, put on. I’ve got to put off or send away any feeling, any emotion, anything, a thought that’s going on inside me that is inconsistent with the promises of God and Jesus. You see, as long as I hold on to a thought of me, a belief of me, a feeling about me that’s inconsistent of who I am in Jesus, in Jesus, I’m righteous, I’m saved, I’m healed, I’m delivered, I’m prospered, I’m blessed, I’m protected. But if I hold on to anything that makes me feel or think less than who I am in Jesus, then that keeps those cells functioning in ways that are inconsistent from the way God made me.

SID: Okay. You say put off. But what do you put on?

JIM: You put on who you are in Jesus. And that’s the key thing. You know, I’ll give you a great example. You know, I had a situation where I knew I was getting pneumonia. I had pneumonia several times. I knew I was getting pneumonia. I was having some emotions that I was struggling with. I’ll tell you, I got down, I relaxed. I got in contact with God. And as sincerely as I could with God I prayed something very similar, what we call the transformation prayer. God searched my heart. I want to see it in me, show me the root of this. I want to deal with the root of this to go to the very core of my being. And basically, I identified this emotion I was feeling and I said, “I send you away in the name of Jesus. You’re not from God. I don’t want you.” And it left.

SID: Okay. I want to have, the disease left?

JIM: First, the emotion left and the moment peace came then I knew I could deal with the disease.

SID: Okay. Here’s what I want Jim to do. I’m going to be transparent. I’m going to talk about some feelings I have that I wish I didn’t have and I want him to pray for me. But here’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to learn how to do it. Don’t go away. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have been so looking forward to this particular interview because I’m convinced that this is the missing link that has been blocking you walking in the supernatural of every promise that God has. And I want you to be normal. Now my guest, Jim Richards, has spent 35 years studying health and studying the Bible. He has three earned doctorate degrees and he has developed a way of praying to make you so free that you can believe God with all of your heart, and that is the reason why God is not answering a lot of your prayers. You’re not believing God with all of your heart. There’s some blockage, if you will. We’re going to get rid of that blockage, Jim Richards. Now Jim, I look at you and it’s hard to believe the background that you came from. Your father was violent. Your stepfather then became violent and you had, I hope you don’t get upset with me saying this, you had a crazy grandmother that you lived with. How did you even survive? Tell me the most violent thing that happened to you.

JIM: You know, the most violent thing that my father did was when we were children tried to burn us all alive while he was in a drunken rage. The most violent thing my stepfather ever did was broke into the bedroom and stabbed me in my sleep really intending to murder me, and I managed to narrowly escape with my life.

SID: You have to believe today that if it wasn’t for God you wouldn’t be sitting here right now.

JIM: Oh yeah. And not only that, if it were not for applying these principles that we share, I would be bitter, angry, enraged, full of all kinds of complications in life. But it’s really, I am free from all that. I am free from the power of all of that by applying these principles.

SID: Okay. You’re in a band and the drummer’s cousin is one of your dealers for drugs.

JIM: Right.

SID: But he tells you a story that is amazing. Tell me about it.

JIM: Right. He was actually enraged because our drug supplier in Atlanta had gotten saved.

SID: I could imagine that would be a reason.

JIM: And that was a party time. That’s how we made money. So he’s telling me, he’s cussing, he’s ranting and raving. He says, “Ernie’s got the blanking religion. He’s blanking talking about Jesus.” So he’s ranting and raving, and cussing. But what was really interesting is through this process it was the first time in my life that I ever actually heard the Gospel. Now I had gone to church. I used to go to churches, knock on the office door. I’d go because they had hair out to here and I’d be barefoot and no shirt on, eyes red. I was crazy and it would scare them, and I understand that.

SID: You took after your crazy grandmother.

JIM: That’s right. But I would go in and just say, “Listen, my name is Jim Richards. I’m a drug dealer, I’m a musician, I’m dying. I got to find God.” And never had one single minister ever tell me how to get saved. I had them tell me I was going to Hell and on the other end of the spectrum I had them say, don’t worry, nobody is going to Hell.

SID: So this musician that’s upset because his drug dealer has now become a Christian tells you about it, and in mocking, that’s what he was doing, in mocking it, you end up getting the information you needed.

JIM: You know, the key thing he said that captured my heart, he said, “Ernie told me if you weren’t blank, blank, for God, he’s blank, blank against God.” Man, when I got out of that car, for the first time in my life I knew there is no neutral ground. And if I’m not for God I’m against Him, and I never knew I was against God. And I’ll tell you, I prayed. I was 21 years old. I was born with a congenital kidney disease. By this time I had been on drugs since I was in my mid-teens because I was a runaway at 14. I had sores all over me. My hair was falling out. Every morning I woke up with blood coming out my nose on my pillow. I was having seizures. I mean, you just go down the list of all these medical problems that I had.

SID: From your beatings you had those.

JIM: Beatings, substance. I had overdosed on drugs a few times and nearly died from that. I’m telling you, I just prayed. I didn’t even know what to say. But I said, “God, here’s the deal.” That’s exactly what I said. I said, “Here’s the deal. I don’t understand this, but this has got something to do with Jesus dying for me and I don’t know what means, but,” I said, “here’s the deal. If you’ll have me I will give you my life.” I said, “But there’s two things. Number one, I’m not going to believe anything anybody says about you unless I see it in a Bible for myself. So I need a Bible.” Because I had heard all kinds of crazy things about God. And I said, “Number two, I am not going to play church. This has got to be the real deal. I don’t mind giving you my life, but I’m not going to play any games.” And you know, I had a revelation of the love of God. And all I know is I entered into what seemed like eternity. I had a revelation of the love of God, and what was really only seconds seemed like months. I was a different man and that was it. I was off drugs.

SID: Okay. You get set free. But now you’re 28 and you’re dying of kidney disease. What did you do about it?

JIM: I’m serving God. I’m walking along. Everything is doing great. I’m succeeding at life, succeeding at ministry. I’m 28 years old. I get up one morning with pain in my side. They take me to the hospital and they rush me from one hospital to another hospital for emergency surgery. And the radiologist told a nurse that was in the church I was pasturing, and said, “We have never seen anybody with kidneys this bad that was still alive.” My kidneys had actually reduced down to a third of the size of normal. I had tumors. I had a renal system, both kidneys, several tumors, several cysts. And so I began this process that took four and a half years to walk out of. I’d love to say I just prayed one prayer. See, here’s the thing. Every aspect of what I shared gets down to this. We’ve got to persuade our heart to believe the truth, because until we believe the truth in our heart it’s just information. And you know, when you got pain in your body or when you got bills that you can’t pay then you got all of this evidence out here that says the promises of God are not yours. And contrary to popular belief, the Bible says, you’re going to believe what you have the evidence to believe because it says, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen.”

SID: When we come back Jim has found there are trapped feelings. Actually science is finally, because of his studies for medicine in the Bible, science is finally catching up with the Bible. There are trapped emotions, trapped feelings. Some may even be generational. But when you can get rid of them you can begin to believe God with all of your heart. What is trapped in your body? Don’t go away. We’re going to find out.

Sid:  We are getting ready Mishpochah to be activated in the glory cloud; it’s a new day, it’s a new season.  And you know the wineskin we have that we call church it just can’t contain the glory that’s coming on planet earth.  I have never seen so many miracles in my life. I have to tell you I’m speaking to Ryan Wyatt and I’m provoked to jealousy in this young man; this is normal for him to see all of these miracles that are occurring.  Ryan, take me back to the first trance that you ever had.

Ryan:  Yeah this trance Sid speaks a message and I’ll tell you the message is this and I’ll tell you the encounter.  So many people have been preached the gospel that says to them “Get your bus ticket to heaven.”  And many of you that are listening right now, maybe that’s the gospel you heard, that’s all you heard “Get your bus ticket to heaven and just live a good life, and one day when Jesus comes back in the rapture you’ll be taken to heaven.”

Sid:  And also attend the church where the major emphasis is fellowship and food.

Ryan:  And that’s right, be faithful with your tithe, be faithful with your offering and all of these kind of things, and some of them are very noble things Sid. That is only a fraction of the gospel. It’s kind of like getting your ticket to the theme park, but going into the foyer area of the theme park area and hanging around, but never getting on the ride.  And you know God has destined us to live a life on earth as it is in heaven.  And it’s for us now, it’s not for when we die and go to heaven. We have an opportunity to impact the earth with heaven now.  In this encounter was the first trance I ever had.  For those of you listening a trance is not actually an experience, a trance is a state of being, you know when Peter was in a trance he saw a vision.  So a trance is like a Holy Spirit anesthetic, like when you got to the dentist they numb your mouth so that they can go in and do work.  A trance is a state of being where God numbs you in a sense so that He can give you a vision.   And in this encounter I was taken to a garden to a massive garden, and I was at the edge of this garden.  I was laying in this bed of roses and the wind was whipping around as the Holy Spirit came and it was a time of intimacy. Many people even in the charismatic stream they’ve touched that to some degree that level of intimacy, and it was awesome I loved it.  But as I was laying there I began to look outside the garden and it was full of pestilence and drought and disease and there was bombs hitting, buildings; there was bombed out buildings that people we dying and it was just, you know the world was just being devastated.  And the Lord spoke to me and He said I have a greater purpose for you it’s time to go deeper.  And right now in the body of Christ He’s saying the same, it maybe some of you are in a place where you have a day to day lifestyle of intimacy with God, but even then God is saying “It’s time to go deeper.”  And so the Lord spoke to me and said, “Get up and go into the center of the garden.”  And so I remember stepping into the center of the garden and there was a big pool of water. I got into this pool of water and I went beyond the realm of intimacy into a place of Divine union where the nature of God and my nature were becoming one, the water was just seeping into me, soaking into me, the glory was just soaking in.  And I began to see people from outside in the draught, they began to come into the garden. As they would step into the waters there bodies would be healed, bones were popping back into place and deaf ears were opening and new eyeballs were coming.  And it was just this creative realm of heaven and the Lord suddenly spoke to me and He said, “Now Ryan it’s time to take it out.”  And as I began to step outside of the garden, this is so powerful Sid, is that in the intimacy realm of God, in the glory realm of God.  You then become a carrier of that glory and it is our destiny to carry that glory on the earth just as Adam did before the fall.  And as I stepped out into the desert land everywhere I would step that would turn into a pool of water just like in the garden.  When I would walk into bombed out buildings, vegetation would begin to grow; when I would encounter people with disease, and broken, and wounded, and emotionally fractured they would begin to be healed, and the bones would pop into place.  Just as if they had walked into the garden.  And God has a destiny, and a calling, and a mission, and a purpose on the body of Christ to be that living habitation of God on the earth. When the people of the world interact with us they experience on earth as it is in heaven.

Sid:  Ryan, let’s whet our appetite because you’re seeing this you’re not talking theory you’re talking what you are seeing with your eyes.  For instance you were in Detroit and tell me about the person with the steel rod.

Ryan:  Oh, steel rods, there was a person with two steel rods in their legs.  They had been in a serious car accident and there leg bones were literally taken out, and steel rods were put in place.  They had no more knees, they could not bend their knees at all just solid steel legs, steel in their hips, steel in their feet and in a moment in an atmosphere of the glory the metal completely disappeared.  And I said to them, do something you could never do before and they tried to bend their legs and for the first time in so many years they had brand new knees, they had  brand new leg bones, all the metal was gone they bent their knees perfectly.

Sid:  Now with a steel rod in their knee how does someone bend their knee?

Ryan:  God supernaturally is removing metal Sid, it is an incredible thing; removing metal and putting the bone, and the cartilage, and the tissue back into place.

Sid:  Well, we have some people listening to us that are so hungry for God and I know that God has used you to activate people for a release of the fire of God, the glory of God, the miracle mantle.  Would you pray for people now?

Ryan:  For those of you that are listening right now I pray I pray that as you have heard me speaking I pray that you have become so jealous for God.  My hearts cry is that this would drive you to jealousy that you be so hungry because I want to tell you right now, the Holy Spirit is jealous for you.  And I just want to pray over you the tangible glory of God to come upon you right now where you are and to begin to activate.  I pray a fire would burn in your bones.  Father right now in the name of Jesus Christ for those that are listening over the radio right now I pray for your tangible glory to come right now even as I just feel it right now moving through the radio airwaves right now in the name of Jesus. Just like that glory cloud overshadowed Mary and there was a transaction that took place something of heaven was deposited in her life.  Right now I speak the release of the realm of heaven onto your spirit, your soul, your body an activation of the fire of God.  I pray that the word of the Lord would begin to rise up from within you, and in fact right now I speak to your spirit man.  Some of you I sense right now your spirit man has been cluttered; your spirit man has been closed up; that place within you where that river of God is flowing at all times it has been cluttered; the well has been stopped.  And right now I speak to the spirit man of the people that are listening and I say “Come alive in the name of Jesus.”  I command that well to be unstopped in the name of Jesus Christ, I command that river to be unstopped and to flow freely your spirit man being activated right now in the name of Jesus.  I speak explosion of God in your spirit man like you have never felt before as the tangible electricity is just touching you right now and beginning to heal you, beginning to activate the fire of God in you right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  And there’s someone who has either pain in their hip, or may even need hip replacement in Jesus name you are healed.  And there’s someone else who’s back you have back pain, it’s gone, test it you’ll see. If you don’t test it right now you will miss the moment of your visitation.  Wherever you are to pull over to the side of the road or bend over right now, but there’s a mighty presence of God’s healing miracle anointing in hips right now in Jesus name.  Has God shown you anything else Ryan?

Ryan:  There’s someone with fibromyalgia you have chronic pain in your body, fibromyalgia all throughout your body I rebuke it right now, I command that fibromyalgia to go in the name of Jesus.  There’s also someone else you need a creative miracle in your eyes.  Right now I speak that creative miracle in your eyes right now in the name of Jesus.  There’s another person, I see the Lord flushing your blood system, you have a disease in your blood and I see the Holy Spirit coming right now like a waterfall, and flushing through your blood system right now.  You’re going to feel a vibration of heaven going right through your body and you need to go to the doctors and get your blood tested again because I believe you are going to be supernaturally healed in Jesus name.

Sid:  Ryan we’re making available this week your four CD teaching series called “How to Bring Heaven to Earth in Your Life,” not in someone else’s life, in your life.  What would be accomplished when someone sits under this teaching; what is happening to people that sit under this teaching?

Ryan:  It’s going to stir a hunger in them but it’s also going to begin to give them some keys of how to enter into that into that lifestyle.  We’ve had many people that have listened to this series and have begun to have encounters themselves where before they never had them.  We’ve had others that have been physically healed as they’ve listened because just like when Jesus spoke He said, “My words are Spirit and life.”  The Spirit and life of Jesus is tangible on those CD’s, many people have received their miracle listening.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is Bobby Connor. He is a prophet and we were talking about his gift.  One of the things that I have found Bobby, and it’s really amazing to me, even before people becoming believers in the Messiah many that have the gift of prophecy are operating in it but they don’t even understand what it is.  Was that true with you?

Bobby:  I believe that’s true. People ask me “When was your first experience with the Lord Jesus?” I tell them it is very strange, but it’s the absolute truth.  I was in my mother’s womb, I was a fetus in my mother’s womb and my mother was very desperate because my dad was dying in a mental institution from a venereal disease, it had settled in his brain.  He was dying a lunatic in an insane asylum and the doctors, this is 1943, came in and informed my mother that the baby in her belly would be afflicted the same disease that was killing my father.  So my mother was desperate because she already had two children, my sister two years old, and myself, and my bother one year old older, who was born crippled.  And so while my mom was desperate so she took a coat hanger, made it into a hook, opened her womb inserted the coat hanger and attempted to pull me out of there.  And it was at that point that the Hand of the Lord came and pushed me aside and kept my mother from extracting my life out of her body.  I told my wife what I had just told you and my wife…

Sid:  But wait, just out of curiosity how did you know this?  I mean you’re in your mother’s womb?

Bobby:  I’m in my mother womb, I’m no bigger than a golf ball, and I’m really the size of a cantaloupe at this time and the hand of the Lord pushed me aside, I saw it just as clear anything in the world.  So I told my wife and my wife said, “Bobby how could anybody know what happened to him when he was a fetus?”  I said, “I don’t know, but me and John the Baptist do.”  Remember John the Baptist got full of the Holy Ghost in his mommy’s tummy and then I quoted the verses Jeremiah 1:4, “before I formed thee in the belly I knew you, before you come out of your mommy’s tummy I ordained you and sanctified you to be a Prophet to the nations.”  So that’s my first experience with the Lord, but that is absolutely true.  Your question was, “Do you think that people can receive a prophetic anointing even before they know what it is?”  And I believe the answer to that is yes.

Sid:  Now, obviously your mother wasn’t successful with the coat hanger and you’re telling me you were aware that God literally moved you or the coat hanger?

Bobby:  I’m telling you exactly what happened, the hand of the Lord came inside my momma’s body and pushed me to the side and covered me in the hallow of His hand while she tried to extract me out with a coat hanger.  I’ll tell you what happened, later on my mother she comes to one of our meetings, I was doing a demonstration of God’s power meeting at a civic center and this was the first time that my Mother had ever seen the supernatural power of God moving through me.  And so it just shook her to the very core and she was broken and she tries to tell me that story that I just told you.  I put my arm around her and told her, “I said, oh Momma I already know all about that.”

Sid:  Huh, out of curiosity was anyone in your family or heritage a prophet?

Bobby:  Okay, now see I never knew my Dad, never got to see him. I didn’t know any of his people, so I know absolutely nothing about my father’s side of the people.  I’ve only seen one picture of my father and that was just a small little Kodak picture so I don’t know for sure, but I believe there must have been somebody in the lineage that had a real call and a connection with God because God supernaturally spared me and I believe we’re just somehow had grace on us because somebody prayed for us.

Sid:  Now understand that every Yom Kippur God gives you revelation as to what will be happening.

Bobby:  Yes, for the past thirteen years on the day of Atonement visitation from the Lord.  And He’ll come tell us some of the things that’s going to happen in the future.

Sid:  Tell me one thing that is going to, that He told you this last day of atonement.

Bobby:  Okay, He told me this last day of atonement for 2008 He said, “There’s going to come a Kingdom company that’s going to have dominion demeanor, and they’re going to rule the visible realm from the invisible realm and they’re going to rule it from a platform of love.   He said, “What’s missing in the body of Christ today is real compassion for Jesus Christ, He said, we’ve got to go back to Revelations 2.”  Remember the church at Ephesus; it said it had great deeds, they had great doctrine, but they had left their first love.  And I believe the missing note right now is the love of God.  And God is about to baptize the Body of Christ with 1^st Corinthians 13 love.  It’s the next great move of God, it’s waiting right at the door right now.

Sid:  Well, let’s find out a little bit more about you.  This is hard, what you just told me was hard to believe about the coat hanger and being aware of it I mean.  But at age eight you started drinking, how does someone at age eight start drinking?

Bobby:  Oh I was raised in a very very coarse family; nearly every one of them in my family were alcoholics except a couple of aunts.  But you know they drank alcohol and the first time I got drunk I was eight years old, I found wine in my grandfather’s storm cellar, this is in East Texas the sand hills of East Texas. So it was Christmas time I found wine.  I drank this wine and got intoxicated but when I was intoxicated I could fantasize and be anybody I wanted to be and it was at that moment that the enemy really began to hook me with alcohol.  And from that time on I drank shaving lotion, shoe polish, sniffed glue, gasoline and then as we grew on up I’d break into hospitals get their drugs, put them in a sack, shake them up and take a hand full of them and sit there to see what would happen.  I look back now and I realize that was the devil attempting to erase my mind, but God is very faithful.  I actually got converted in the fall of 1968. I had tried everything the world had, the wild life, the drinking, the partying, then they said what you need is a wife and a kid and a white frame house and a job and I got all of that and I was still just as empty as ever so I said, “If this is all there is I’m through with life.  And I was absolutely, I meant that with all my hear so I carried my wife and my little boy, who is now forty-two, carried them to church, let them out and I drove off.

Sid:  Now just out of curiosity was your wife born again then?

Bobby:  Okay when we got married she wasn’t, she’s a good moral girl, she didn’t do like all the rest of the girls did but she was a good moral person but didn’t know Jesus.  And then she started going to church when she got pregnant because she wanted to a better life for our child.  And then she comes in one day and she’s born again.  Awe man and I hated that.

Sid:  Why? Why did you hate that?

Bobby:  Okay, here is what happened to me, remember I told you we had very very poor, my dad died, my mother raised three of us on $29 a month, this is not $29 a month per child, $29 a month for three children and we were very poor.  My mom made our clothes out of feed sack, the farmers back in those days would get their cattle feed in cloth bags and they’d give them to my mother, she’d wash them out, cut them out to make little clothes.  And she’d catch a ride, we didn’t have a car, she would get out on highway 31 in East Texas and thumb a ride and carry us to church.  Now I’m a little bitty primary boy and we’re standing at a desk at a Baptist Church and singing a song and we’re singing one Sunday morning, Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so.  And a voice spoke to me, a cold calculating voice spoke in the spirit realm and said, “Bobby God doesn’t love you, if God loved you you’d have shoes on your feet, you’d have clothes like other kids and you’d have a family and a father.”  And I did a horrible thing, at that moment as a little bitty boy I listened to that voice and the moment I listened to that voice that’s when hatred came into my heart towards God.  I felt like God had shafted me, that He wasn’t good, that He wasn’t trustworthy. See the enemy He’s not a good devil at all, he fight unfair, he fights anyway he can and so he poison and polluted my mind about God and that’s one of things that really opened the door to alcohol and all that kind of stuff.

Sid:  Now, so that then you were really upset that your wife starts going to church.

Bobby:  God born again, ah huh.

Sid:  Ah, what’d you do about it, did you just let her go?

Bobby:  Oh this is horrible, she kneeled down to pray for me, I’d kick her over, she’d get dressed up for church, I’d tear her clothes off of her, rough her up.  I’d watch her go back in the house, make her face back up, put on a new dress, a different dress and start walking eight miles to church, me cursing her.

Sid:  Eight miles one way?

Bobby:  Eight miles to church, but I’ll tell you what I wouldn’t give her the keys to the car you know.  But I’m telling you she was faithful, she wouldn’t give up.  That night in 1968 when I got born again it was a Wednesday night I had carried her to church and let her and my little son out, I intended to kill myself that night.  And that’s when the Lord really spoke to me.

Sid:  How did you attempt to kill yourself?

Bobby:  I drove my car deep into the forest woods down in Kickapoo Creek. I took a double barrel shotgun and I had it loaded with buckshot and I stuck the barrel in the roof of my mouth, put the safety off, put my thumb on the trigger and the car filled with demons just like that, it got as cold as ice in this car.  And the demons began to chant “Do it, do it, do it.”  And then all of a sudden I started trembling.  I mean trembling like a leaf and I put the gun on safety, threw it in the back seat of the car. It’s about 9:00 at night now, and I drive back to the church where I let them out about 6:00 that afternoon and I’m setting under a big old tree and I’m just… boy I had had it and so here’s what I said, now this is a pretty poor prayer to pray to get saved but, “Jesus looks at our heart, not our mouth, that’s when I said, “Lord,” I said, Jesus if You could would You change my life.”  And when I said that just like that He stepped into my life; I’m telling you the hatred, the hatred went out the bitterness when out, all the stuff that had happened.  So I get out of the car, walked to the back door, it’s about 9:30 at night, I pull the back door of the church open and here’s what I see Sid.  I see my wife, my little son, the preacher a man by the name of Paul in the house and several young Christian couples, they’re at an old fashion mourners bench, a prayer altar and their crying out, “Oh God, oh God, whatever it takes save Bobby.”  And see now, if they hadn’t been in intercession I’d pull the trigger, I’d be in hell today instead of speaking on this radio broadcast.”

Sid:  So when you saw that, “What did you do?”

Bobby:  Oh I ran forward, fell on that preachers neck, see I hated him, oh I hated the air he breathed man. I’d catch him in stores prior to that time, I’d shove him, I’d curse him.  I mean it was demonic and that was what it was.  And he’d look at me, he was a German man and he’d look at me with tears and blue eyes and here’s what he’d say to me, “Bobby, I love you.”  I knew he meant it but I wasn’t going to respond to it.  I fell on his neck Sid and cried like a baby man and then I finally I turned him loose and I picked my wife up.  And I pulled her to me and for the first time I knew what it meant to love out of a pure hear and that night the Lord told me He said, “I’m going to send you around the world with the gospel.”

Sid:  You go from a shotgun in your mouth to killing yourself in the same night to being given a vision that you’re going to travel the world and tell people about Jesus?

Bobby:  Travel the world and tell people about Jesus, I said to Him, “Fat chance.”  That’s what I said.  But boy He’s been faithful.

Sid:  Well, He said that you’re going to go around the world, have you?

Bobby:  Yes, we’ve been preaching for thirty-eight years now, and we average speaking five times a week for thirty-eight years.  And we go all over the earth; we go a couple of place now a week.

Sid:  Well, I’ll tell you something, I am very intrigued over your prophetic gift and we’ll get into that on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  My guest is going to help so many people because she’s just published a book that we’ll be featuring all this week called “Anointing for Healing.”  And it’s a hardback and it’s a beautiful book, it contains a vial of a anointing oil and the book explains secrets of anointing oil that I think the church, very few Christians today understand the power that’s involved when you have faith in what the anointing oil stands for.  And this is one of these how to books, how to pray effectively for a healing and my guest is Melanie Hemry and I’m speaking to her at her home in Edmond, Oklahoma.  Melanie before we went on the air I asked you “What’s God showing you to tell us?”  And you talked to me about the aspect called the interaction with man and how it’s so misunderstood.

Melanie:  Yes, that’s right the Lord has shown me repeatedly and what He asked me to share with you today is that, His interaction with mankind is still the most unreported story on earth.

Sid:  You know I know all these things, but for me coming from a traditional Jewish background I look more on sovereignty and I know it’s humanistic, but I’m thinking, “Well, if God’s not going to heal me then I just won’t be healed.”  Now I don’t believe that today, but that’s what I had engrained in me and I think most people that call themselves Christians it’s engrained that, oh God will heal me if He wants to.

Melanie:  That’s the way most of us were raised, certainly.  I was raised in a denominational church that taught me to be born again and to love God and to revere the Word.  But now they taught that the same God that occasionally has a good day and heals somebody is the same one that may put cancer on you to teach you a lesson.  And I don’t believe that today either because the Word of God doesn’t support it.

Sid:  Well, let’s find out a little bit about you, you were a Registered Nurse for sixteen years and I have to tell you, I am so intrigued with life after death experiences because every one of us has to make that trip and so we want to understand it a little bit better.  Tell me some of the experiences you had as a Registered Nurse.

Melanie:  Well to be perfectly honest in my early twenties I was a believer who had walked away from the Lord and was not in church and was not living my life right.  And I was under conviction about a number of different things and the Lord just kept revealing Himself to me.  And you cannot be a Registered Nurse and not experience the power of God and see miracles; it’s your choice what you do with it.  But I had a patient that I’d taken care of for quite awhile who was a judge and he threw so many blood clots to his brain that he had three flat EEGs which is proof that he was brain dead and the doctors told his wife and the family to put him in a nursing home that he would never recover.  And they refused to do that and they stood in the circle and prayed and asked me to join them, and the truth was at that time in my life I would rather stuck needles under my fingernails.  But what do you say, of course you join them and they prayed and they asked me to go home and take care of him at home.  And on the ride home from the hospital in the ambulance in a sovereign touch of God he was miraculously healed.  And he totally recovered and went on to try astounding number of cases on the Federal Court Circuit.  So that was a huge wakeup call to me, another one was when I was doing a resuscitation on an African American Pastor, we shocked that man and we resuscitated him for so long and finally his cardiologist called and said, “That’s it thank you all very much.” And after everyone else was leaving the room a young intern said, “Let’s try one more time,” and we shocked him and he came back and he sat up in bed and he told us in detail, every word we’d spoken and everything we done in the resuscitation and the only way he could have done that is from watching from above.  There’s no way laying flat on the bed being dead you could do that; that was a wakeup call to me.  And then one day I asked the Lord, I said, “Okay, if you’re really there and You’re trying to get my attention then make it so clear to me that I can’t miss it.”  And I was working in the Intensive Care Unit, I had a patient who had a brain stem stroke and when you have a brain stem stroke no stimuli gets from the brain to anywhere in the body.  You could do anything to her body and she wouldn’t feel it because it was nothing there and I was changing her IV dressing and all of a sudden the alarm went off on her monitor and her heart had stopped.  So here’s a woman with no heartbeat with a brainstem stroke and no neurological life at all.  And I watched her eyes open; I saw her sit up in bed raise her hand in greeting as through she’s looking at an unseen stranger and with love dripping like I’ve never heard, “Jesus!”  And then she floated back to her pillow and she was gone and I knew at that moment there wasn’t a drug on earth powerful enough to get her back once she’d seen Him.  And I decided that it was time to get my heart right with the Lord.

Sid:  I would think that would do it to anyone.  Now tell me about your book “Anointing for Healing,” in your heart of hearts why did you write this book?  And I have to tell you, I’ve been interviewing people that have been healed for over thirty years, but you have managed to put together some of the most unusual verified miracles that I’ve ever seen put together in one book.

Melanie:  My coauthor Gina Lynnes and I wrote this book because God kept saying, that what His interaction with man is the most underreported story on earth.  And we wanted to try and write a book that could be understood and received by people all over who are maybe in churches or not in churches and they don’t know what He’s doing.

Sid:  Is that why you made it, it’s a hard back but it’s such a beautiful cover, it’s one that people would put on a coffee table.

Melanie:  Yes, Bob Whitaker was very much, this was a project out of his heart and it was very much a combination between him and Gina and me.  And he wanted that cover to be beautiful and for the anointing of God to be revered.

Sid:  Now have you had much feedback on this book yet?

Melanie:  You know the people that have read this book have been writing to us and there was one woman who wrote to us and she had given birth to a son with Down syndrome.  And she said, “That she ordered the book because she wanted to understand about anointing oil and she said she got it and she read it and she said, “I didn’t know that healing was part of our redemption, I didn’t know any of that.’’  And we’ve just been getting cards and letters from people whose lives have been changed by the stories in the book.

Sid:  You know we’re going to have some of these stories, actually the people themselves telling their stories.  For instance on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re going to have the women that was healed of Lou Gehrig’s disease, ALS.  That is such; I mean I’ve known people that have died from Lou Gehrig’s disease in fact it is a death sentence; tell me some thoughts you have about her.

Melanie:  Wendy Moore was a young mother in her, wife and mother in her twenties who was an Emergency Medical Technian that road in ambulances and had a baby and she would get these strange things where she would be on the floor playing with the child and move her legs to get up and the single didn’t through and she couldn’t stand.  Or she’d be doing fine and then she could walk up the steps or she couldn’t lift a stretcher.  And in 2001 at the University of Michigan she was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig’s disease and they told her that 50% of the patients that are diagnosed survive two to five years.  And that she was so far advanced she would soon be on full disability.

Sid:  Now, from what I understand is eventually your body shuts down and you can’t breathe and then you die.

Melanie:  That’s exactly right and one of things they told her is, what’s going to start happening is these situations that your in is your going to get worse and you’ll start tripping and falling.  And so Wendy’s case she had an Aunt who had heard the gospel involves healing and that she had gone to a Bible School and learned what the Word of God has to say, the promises of God for healing.  And she told Wendy, she goes “You don’t have to die of this.”

Sid Roth:  By the way, that’s a word for someone that’s listening to us right now, “You do not have to die, God says “I want you to live and proclaim the works, you shall not die you will live and proclaim the works of the Lord.”  And no matter how hopeless your situation, I have to believe that you wrote this book, not just for the hopeless people, but for anyone that is sick of anything, I mean it really is a how to manual.

Melanie:  Yes.  There’s also someone out there whose facing a knee replacement and God is touching their knee right now and it’s being miraculously healed and they will not need that surgery.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary Kah. And I am so fascinated with the information that Gary has put together. He has spent a lifetime putting this together, because if you don’t understand the forerunner of the Antichrist system, then for sure you won’t understand the Antichrist. And Gary, I find it very interesting that Tony Blair, President Barak Obama and the Pope had the same talking points within days of each other. Explain that.

GARY: Yes. A couple of summers ago, all three of those individuals began applying a lot of pressure on Israel. And there is an agenda behind this. Ultimately where it is going is toward the internationalization of Jerusalem, and also I believe making Jerusalem the interfaith capitol of the world.

SID: Why is that important?

GARY: Again, if you’re going to have global government, you’ve got be able to bring the religions together somehow and they see in their minds that Jerusalem is the place to do this because it’s where Christianity and Judaism have their roots. Islam also has a stronghold there and so trying to make this happen in Jerusalem is important to them. Tony Blair has gone so far as to establish the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, which is actually an interfaith foundation. In his own words he has come out and stated that he is devoting the rest of his life to unifying the world’s religions.

SID: Okay. You exposed the names of prominent Christians that are deeply involved in this. I don’t understand how a real Christian could ever be deeply involved in this.

GARY: I don’t either. I believe that they rationalize and justify it in the name of world peace. But I am aware of the fact that on Tony Blair’s board of directors there is a very prominent evangelical Christian whose name everyone would recognize, and also an Islamic cleric and people of other religions. And again, if it simply has to do with reaching out to people of other faiths with the truth of Jesus, that’s one thing. But to cooperate in building something that will eventually unify the world’s religions, to me, that is a huge deception and we should not be promoting that.

SID: Okay. According to reading the Bible on a literal basis, which I do, a temple is going to be rebuilt. Gary, you have some fascinating information about this. Tell me.

GARY: Well again, in order to rebuild that temple, people have wondered over the years, how in the world is this every going to happen, considering on the contention on the Temple Mount. And we don’t know for sure how it’s going to happen, but there are some signs of how it could happen. The leading Muslim writer in the world right now, a man who has over 65 million copies of his books in print, his name is Adnan Oktar, he writes under the pen name Harun Yahya, is himself calling for the rebuilding of the temple. But he calls it majid or mosque, or a palace. And he believes this would be a great thing where people from around the world of different religions could come together and worship there.

SID: But Jewish people would never accept something like that.

GARY: Well you would think so. But there’s three leaders from the newly reestablished Jewish Sanhedrin have actually met with Adnan Oktar in Turkey. And after doing so, they posted the following statement on their website, and this is an excerpt of that statement. They say, “Out of the sense of collective responsibility for world peace and for all humanity, we have found it timely to call to the world and exclaim that there is a way out for all peoples. It is etched in a call to all humanity. We are all the sons of one Father, the descendants of Adam, and all humanity is but a single family. Peace among nations will be achieved through building the House of God where all peoples will serve as foreseen by King Solomon in his prayers at the dedication of the first Holy Temple.” Now get this. “Together each according to his or her ability, we shall work towards the building of the House of Prayer for all nations on the Temple Mount in peace and mutual understanding.” So these are some of the top Jewish people in the Sanhedrin endorsing the same idea that Adnan Oktar is putting forth, after having met with him.

SID: And you talk about the excavations under, in Jerusalem, the Shrine of Omar. Tell me about that.

GARY: Well very quickly, some Israeli journalists were secretly filming underneath the Shrine of Omar, and the tunnel that they were in, they discovered in an area off to the side some early documents from Jewish priests from the first century, apparently that were put there to safeguard them and protect them from the Roman invasion in 70 A.D. And these documents talk about the early church, what the church believed, how it functioned, it’s practices. And it makes it very clear that the early church did not adhere to replacement theology. In other words, they believed that God was still going to work mightily through the Jewish people and Israel in the years to come, especially in the last days.

SID ROTH: It’s very sad that we don’t know what the first Christians knew. For starters, they were all Jews. Now you know they weren’t involved in replacement theology, which basically, half the Christians in the world say that the Christian has replaced God’s plan for the Jew in Israel. And of course, God says, I change not. Boy, imagine the bombshell when this information is revealed. You can see things are really speeding up rapidly. The Bible says, “I’d rather you be hot or cold. If you’re lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth.” That’s what Jesus says. Are you lukewarm or are you hot? If you’re neutral, you’re deceived. If you’re just a seeker-sensitive Christian, you’re deceived. You must be hot or cold. Either serve him with all of your heart or don’t stand up as a Christian. The good news is you don’t have to look back. You can have a new beginning right now, repent of your sins and tell Jesus, say it out loud. I want to be red hot for you, Lord Jesus. I want you to be my Lord. I ask for forgiveness of sin. I repent. Live inside of me, Jesus.