Sid Roth

Sid: I am absolutely overwhelmed with the information that Gary Kah is making available to us.  He’s telling us secrets that the media has purposely hidden and in fact one of the things I saw in going over your material Gary, is about under an Islamic Shrine in Israel they found important original records that were buried there.  Now where was this shrine located?

Gary: Well, it’s a Shrine of Omar in Jerusalem and yes, some Israeli TV journalists were secretly filming under that areas a few years back and they discovered a tunnel that had initially been dug in the Middle Ages it’s believed by the Knights Templers that had control of that area.  And the Templers had found some of the early original documents of the church in Jerusalem involving and revealing what the church actually believed, how they were structured, what they did.  And information of that nature and this is very key information and I believe that there are those today who do not want that information out and as a result want control of that area.

Sid: Well, if the information came out, what I believe from looking over your data in Research is it would change the whole structure of what we call the church today.  It would even change the thinking about a hieracy that is rampant and the devil is the one behind if it’s hieracy and that’s called replacement theology where the Christians replaced the Jews.  And that just messes up everything to understand end time Bible prophecy.

Gary: Exactly, and of course many church groups over the years have been pushing replacement theology and these findings of what the early century church really believed and practice would totally shatter that.  And you know…

Sid: You know I would love to get a hold of that information; it would answer a lot of questions I’ve been asking God.  I mean these were religious people would stop controlling it so we could see what authentic Christianity really was like.

Gary: Yeah, exactly and I feel the same way, you know you cannot have the church replacing the Jews, it’s not scriptural.  But that’s what is being taught and that helped to lead I believe to the openness by some Christians during Nazi Germany to do what they did.  However, groups that do not believe in replacement theology have a much better openness to the Jewish people.  And so you kind of draw a line in the sand along those lines and people who do not believe the replacement theology also have a must more literal interpretation of Bible prophecy so they heed the end time warning and take them seriously.  Whereas advocates of replacement theology not so much so.

Sid: Let me ask you a question, there’s a man that intrigued me when he was the head of England, Tony Blair.  And he kind of dropped out of the scene and now he seems to be reemerging, but not in a very good way.  Tell me about Mr. Blair, what’s been going on with him?

Gary: Well, when Tony Bair stepped down from being Britain’s Prime Minister a few years ago he went through a lot of changes in his life.  Actually he converted to Roman Catholicism and then founded the Tony Blair Faith Foundation.  And also around that same time became the main negotiator for the Western Powers regarding Mid East Peace, so he has been traveling a lot to Israel, to Rome and points in between moving negotiations forward.  So he’s a very important figure in the world, a very likeable individual personality wise the way he presents himself.  But through his Faith Foundation he has openly stated now that his goal is to unify the world’s religions and so he is playing right into this inter-faithism this bringing together the world’s religions so that the global political agenda for world government can succeed.  And whether he’s doing this completely knowingly or unknowingly I don’t know, but he’s a very smart person. So I presuming that he must be in favor of global government because it would be difficult for him not to be in light of what he’s doing and some of the statements that he has made.

Sid: Now, you mentioned in your DVDs that we are making available amazing top evangelicals by name that are involved with the Tony Blair Faith Foundation how could these people be involved with that?

Gary: Well, one of them is actually on his Board of Directors along with a top Muslim Choleric and people of other religions and that again it mystifies me.  I don’t know how that is possible because this is not a case where the goal is unknown, Tony Blair has again openly stated that his purpose is to unify the world’s religions; he has even taught a course a Yale University on how to go about doing that.  And so to have a top Christian Evangelical Leader involved in that with him it simply if unacceptable, it really is.  And it breaks my heart to see that, but again a sign of the times I suppose.

Sid: Okay, so the foundations is after unifying all religions, but it seems as though a focal point is Jerusalem, why Jerusalem?

Gary: Well, in Jerusalem you have Christians, Jews and Muslims all with a major stake there.  And the ultimate goal in all of this is to make Jerusalem the Interfaith Capitol of the World; to bring all the world’s religions together there.  And also another goal, along with that from a political stand point is these people would like to Internationalize Jerusalem.  In other words, basically remove it out from under Israeli sovereignty and make Jerusalem international entity unto itself with international peace keeping forces there.  And so it would be its own political machine so to speak and the religions of the world coming together in that spot, in that location.  And of course, you and I both understand this really would set the stage then for the anti-Christ to take power.  Because if the international forces would ultimately have control of Jerusalem and are pushing this inter-faithism and coming together of this world’s religions; and this world’s countries then who would be able to stop a leader of that international authority from taking his seat of power in that spot?  It’s very intriguing of what really could happen through all of this.

Sid: Now, something that you reveal I’ve never heard before, that in 1993 there was a letter written to the Pope by the Prime Minister of Israel Perez and what did that letter say?

Gary: Well, in that letter that was sent by the Pope by Shimon Peres, Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem to go along with internationalizing Jerusalem and granting UN political control of the Old City.  I stagger when you think about it and again…

Sid: And now, of course Peres is dead now so does that have any validity?

Gary: Well, this information came out many years ago and I believe it did get limited coverage in the media, but after a short time you didn’t hear much about it.  But it was not a secret that Shimon Peres was a very strong globalist and was very committed to a global agenda and I believe that his role has been over the years to help condition Israel, prepare Israel to come into this global government.  And you see you have to understand Sid, the biggest, one of the biggest problems that internationalists have had in bringing about this global government has been that the people of Israel and the people of the United States are so independent minded and they don’t want to go into this world government and so somehow there has to be a conditioning, reasons have to be given for why it would be to our advantage to move into this World Government.  Otherwise people aren’t going to do it unless they really have to they aren’t going to do it.  And I believe Peres was involved heavily in trying to lay the foundation in Israel to help get the Israeli people to that point.

Sid: And you also bring out something that is amazing, how could Muslims believe in what the Muslim believes unite with a Christian, with a Protestant, with a Catholic, but there’s a connection between Mary and Islam?  Explain.

Gary: That’s right this is something I actually stumbled on to in my research, I didn’t know this until a few years ago.  But Mohammed believed that when he would go to Paradise that Mary would be his wife.  And also there is a high regard for Mary within Islamic circles partly for that reason.  In addition to that, Mohammed had a daughter by the name of Fatima.  Now Fatima of Portugal is the location of where apparitions of Mary allegedly were seen in the early nineteen hundreds and of course that’s not a secret most people listening would know that; the alleged apparitions of Mary and Fatima of Portugal.  Well to Muslims that was significant because they thought of all places where these apparitions shows to appear it was in Fatima, a city named after Mohammed’s daughter.  And so there is this connection between Mary and Islam and of course Mary is highly revered in Roman Catholic circles as well as of course honored very much so in Protestant circles.  But this is being used; these facts are being used to try to bring Islam and Christianity together and there has been some success along those lines.

Sid: You know I hear of stories, wonderful stories and I meet Muslims that have had encounters with Jesus, where no human agency has witnessed to them, but Jesus has come and they’ve become extremely strong Christians.  But isn’t it interesting many Muslims are also having appearances of Mary which you can see where that’s going.

Gary: Yeah, in fact I told my wife years ago that, “If the time ever came when we would hear of Muslims claiming to see apparitions of Mary that we know that things were getting very close that were getting close to the end,” and all these pieces of the puzzle fitting together for global government and also eventually the return of Jesus.  But Muslims in different countries now including Egypt and Indonesia are saying that they are seeing Mary and in some cases hundreds at a time.  There apparitions of Mary are allegedly promoting global unity, unification of the world’s religions and our coming together.

Sid: Oh, our time I’m sorry our time has slipping away again Gary.

Sid: My guest, Dennis Jernigan is red hot for the Messiah, as a young Christian man he had a war going on inside of him.  He loved the Lord, he knew the Bible, he was active in church but he had a secret life as a homosexual and he did not know how to resolve this.  He even got suicidal but God through His mercy revealed His love and set him free.  And when you hear his music, the operative word on His music is freedom.  He is not a song writer, as he’ll gladly volunteer, he’s a son receiver.  You see this music of his didn’t come from him and he knows that, it came from heaven.  And I believe that, I’ve never heard such a pure anointing on music and worship as I’ve heard on his and literally chains fall off of people.  Is it your experience that when you do a concert many people in the audience are suicidal, Dennis?

Dennis: It’s very common for them to come because especially concerning things like homosexuality a lot of people believe that’s a hopeless thing.  So I get a lot of people who are in despair and hopeless situations coming in anyway just wanting, it’s almost like they are touching the hem of the garment, that’s the attitude they come with.  So yeah, more often than not they’ll come up to me and talk with me afterwards so I know for a fact that’s taking place.  And one of the things I try to do after, when you lead people to freedom, they are going to worship, so after those times of worship are done and I stay to the stay until the last person leaves normally just hearing the stories because I want people to know, you know what?  Even if I don’t have the strength to say anything to you, I am going to at least acknowledge the fact that you’re worth my time because you’re worth Jesus time so you’re worth my time.  And by in large people just need to know somebody else cares they exist.  Most of the people I minister to Sid will never darken the door of the church, they just won’t, that’s why I have such a massive online ministry because people feel like they are going to be ostracised or rejected if they confess anything like that.   I’ve even had, believe it or not just of late the last couple of years, we’ve probably had ten or fifteen people come out of satanic covens who say that they can’t do this anymore, Jernigan’s telling me the truth, I’m going to follow after the Lord.  So we are seeing even that become a manifestation of what God is doing in our lives here.

Sid: Okay, there are people listening to us right now that are suicidal.  There are people listening to us right now that are homosexuals or lesbians; there are people listening to us right now that have been abused and that have addictions of different types; do you really believe that just the way that you were set free they could get set free that anyone could?

Dennis: If I can be set free anyone can be set free, and here’s the deal with suicidal thoughts, this is what the Holy Spirit’s revealed to me and it has really helped me overcome those things; is the fact that the right to determine life or death does not rest with me, that belongs with the one who made me.  So that means if I’m wanting to take my own life, and I’m free.  This was me, I can’t speak for anyone else but I was looking only at me.  I was so self focused I was making all the decisions of my life.  I was even telling God, “You can’t love me because of my sin.”  Well, that’s me sitting on the throne of my heart, that’s the suicidal thoughts for me ended the moment I said, “I’m stepping down, I can’t make a decision that’s meant for God.  He is the one that’s made me so He can love me as much as He wants, in fact we don’t get to decide if God loves us, that is not our place.  His very nature is love and it’s perfect holy love, we only have two choices in any moment and this is for those that are struggling with addiction or suicide or homosexuality or whatever.  Jesus loves you right where you are so you either accept it or embrace His love or you reject it.  And the good news is that not only does He love you right where you are but he loves you enough to not leave you there, that’s why it’s called relationship.  My viewing, most asked question in my life was your healing instant or has it been a process?  And the answer is yes, to both of those because in an instant I understood, I am who my Father says I am by the grace of God, nothing else, I can’t conform my way to that place, it’s just a free gift so I better embrace it.  So I did and the journey, the process of my healing has looked like this, when Lazarus was called forth from the grave he came out fully alive but he was not fully free because Jesus said to those around Lazarus, “Lose from him the grave clothes, so for about thirty years now, I’ve just been walking towards Jesus.  I want to be able to lift my hands in any area, so He says, “Well Jernigan, My son you don’t look good clothed in that pride, let’s rip that away, that the old grave clothes, that’s the things that define you in your deaden state, that’s not who you are.  See that spirit of humility that’s planted in you, that’s who you are, be that, be who I say you are.  So the process is just a journey of relationship and we have a God who wants, longs for relationship with us.  So to all your listeners, I say to you just cry out to God, He’s just waiting for you to just call to Him and He will meet you right where you are.

Sid: But you know what?  There are people listening to us that are exactly who you are speaking to and there are people listening to us that somehow they are not free, there not free to bask in the glory of God.  They are not free to have intimacy with God and I believe the anointing that sets people free of sin and addictions, that same anointing will set people free from self and the world.  And as a matter of fact, just briefly tell me about the song “Consume Me.”

Dennis: “Consume Me,” was written for, it’s a cool story.  I have a friend and when our sons and daughters became of age of thirteen we had not bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah but we had a calling them into adulthood, a calling them into manhood, or calling them into womanhood ceremony.  And we just spoke truth into their lives and just invited them into that realm and for my son, my friends son he asked me to seek the Lord and give him a son that would minister to his son his identity in Christ.  And as I thought about his son and I just realized he’s young, he’s passionate and I know his desire, his heart of hearts even as a boy was to be so consumed with the Lord that it’s hard to tell where the Lord begins and he ends.  And so that’s where the song came out, it was written for a young man of thirteen that if my heart cry and I believe it, it’s honest it’s the hearts cry of every believer who want to be known passionately by their Lord.

Sid: I believe that as you ask in the presence of God on this morning, consume me, that you will start not being able to know, it’s the beginning not being able to know where God ends and you begin.  “Consume me Lord.”

Dennis Jernigan’s excerpt. “Consume Me.”

Sid: That was “Consume me,” Dennis Jernigan who is just a receiver from God.  Now Dennis I know what is happening to me when I sit under your music, I know what’s happening to my staff when they sit under your music.  Tell me in concerts what happens to people.

Dennis: Well, we’ve had everything from people not only leaving the bondage of homosexuality and lesbianism but we’ve seen marriage after marriage after marriage, after marriage restored.  We’ve seen children reunited with parents, parents reconciled with children.  We’ve even seen manifestations of people receiving physical healings, you name it.  In God’s presence there’s fullness of joy so when we remind ourselves of God is here let’s deal with it like we do when we come to worship, our entire being is focused in that realm.  So the enemy has no place and if the enemy has no place than we are free to listen to what the Lord has for us and to receive what the Lord has for us.  So really we see more emotional healing than anything, just to be honest with you.  If people did not know that they were loved or lovable comes to place of realization it’s like seeing 100 light bulbs or a thousand light bulbs come on.

Sid: But you know what people that do know that they are loved do understand that still have chains by being in this world.  And I believe that those chains fall off of anyone that sits under this anointing.

Sid: We want every everywhere to be Red Hot for the Messiah, and once you get this teaching and revelation of what the Jewish Patriarch knew and understand imparting the blessing.  I mean as Pastor Bill Ligon as you explained on yesterday’s broadcast the Jewish people without the power of the imparting of the blessing would have never survived in the desert.

Bill: Oh no, they could not have made it without these three pillars of faith operating in their lives; all three are what God used to transform them.  And it is the Aaronic blessing that releases God’s favor upon them.  You see many of God’s people have had the Blood Covenant, they’ve had the moral code, but they haven’t had the favor of God released upon them.  So we have a lot of people who are struggling in their lives because they do not have that favor and God wants them to have that favor released upon them.  In their personal lives, in their work place, and in their homes; He wants families to be united together and it is the Aaronic blessing that will bring that together in their homes.

Sid: Now, just out of curiosity, did you have your Father or someone pray this blessing over you?

Bill: Well, when I began to learn the principals my Father was deceased, he passed away six months after I was married.  But I had a brother twenty years my senior who was not a churchman, wasn’t active in church, didn’t have anything to do with church.  The fact is that a sister close of his age went down to Florida where he lived and tried to talk to him about the Lord and he told her if she was going to come and preach to him just to not come.  But he and I were together with our wives one tine in adjoining motel rooms visiting our Mother who was in a nursing home.  And I thought well, here’s my brother and I’m going to receive the Aaronic blessing from my brother, my older brother.  So I went to him, my wife and I went to him in his room with him and his wife and we called him Scottie.  And I said, “I said, I know that you love me?  He said, “Oh yes, you know I love you.”  And I said, “Well do you want good things for my wife and my children and me or bad things?”  He said, he called me son, he said, “Oh son, you know I want good things.”  I said, “Well, God will release those upon me if you will speak them over me and I have these blessings here prepared for you.  Would you right now, I am going to just get in front of you on my knees in front of you and would you put your hands on me and would you then say then, “May the Lord bless you with and begin to release these upon my life?”  He did Sid and when he did, the Spirit of God came upon him and he began to cry I could feel his tears dropping down on my cheeks and on my shoulder.  And when he got through blessing me, he then got on his knees and he said, “Now do it to me.”  And I was able to release blessings upon my older brother, twenty years my senior.  I could release blessing upon him and while I had my hand upon him I said, “May the Lord reveal himself to you, may the Lord fill you with His love and his grace and may the Lord give you understanding of salvation and may the Lord make you a part of His family.”  Well shortly after that his wife passed away and he moved up to Boise, Idaho to be near his daughter and one day she called me and said, “Uncle Bill, Dad just had a heart attack and died.”  So I flew up there and her pastor said, came to me and said, “I guess you were concerned about your brother.”  I said, “Well, I was,” he said, “You need to know that when he came here his daughter brought him to church, he heard the gospel and he gave his heart to the Lord.”  And I believe Sid, that it was that blessing that I was able to speak over my brother the same man who told my sister not to preach to him, I believe that’s what God used to transform his life and bring him into the kingdom of God.  Just like I believe it happened in your father’s life when he spoke blessing over you.

Sid: You know my father came to the Lord on his death bed literally, but when I asked him to pray the Aaronic benediction over me I knew that he couldn’t figure out why I was asking him to pray it.  Even though he was an Orthodox Jew; I mean here his son believes in Jesus; it doesn’t make any sense, but I also believe, like your brother, that when I asked him to pray something very supernatural occurred.  What about you when your brother prayed over you, when your brother prayed for you, what effect did it have?

Bill: It had a tremendous impact on my life and I began to have favor from God after he did it.  And one of the things that some people don’t realize is that certain people have a position in your life before God like a Father even though he may not be a churchman or may not be at all interested in the things of God has a position before God.  He has a parental office before God.  My older brother had a position before God with me.  And even though he wasn’t a churchman and wasn’t a believer at the time, never the less when he spoke that blessing God was present and God did exactly what God said He would do and he’ll do it for other people too.

Sid: What about someone that says, “My Father is dead, or he won’t pray over me, I don’t have any brothers to pray over me, am I Iost with this blessing?”

Bill: Oh no, I have encouraged if someone says my Father’s deceased and I don’t have someone in my family who could do that I’ve encouraged them to ask there pastor and his wife to have a blessing service kind of like a bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah and speak blessing over them.

Sid: Actually in your workbook and your teaching you recommend people if they’ve never had this type of a blessing; a bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah you actually recommend no matter what their age they should have it.

Bill: Exactly, I think that every person is deficient until they have that blessing spoken over their lives.  And I encourage everyone to do that and we give them full instruction in this material on how to do it.  My wife gives information on how to have, you know the word, bar means son, right and mitzvah is a commandment.  So when whose bar mitzvah is a son who has embraced the commandments to keep the commandments and bat means daughter.  So that’s a daughter of the commandments who has committed herself to keep the commandments of God.

Sid: Okay, we found out that you and your wife bless each other every morning and it has made the difference between you being emotionally attached and unified in spirit.  It’s transformed your marriage, what about your two sons?  Tell me about them.

Bill: From the time we began to understand the principals of blessing we started laying hand on them and blessing them, speaking blessing over their lives.  And one of the great joys has been to have them turn around and lay hands on us and speak blessing over us.  And now our older son has five children and he and his wife speak blessing over those children every day, but one of the interesting things is that when they get though the children who are small they are from ages four to ten, they speak blessing over their parents and before their Dad leaves for work every day they speak blessing over his life.

Sid: So tell me about; let’s start with your older son, what happened in his life as he’s an adult now.

Bill: Well, when he was leaving for college, Sid he called me into his room and he fell to his knees and he said, “Dad bless me one more time before I leave.”  And so I spoke blessing over him and then he got in his car and he drove off.  And then years later after he became an attorney he was raised up as a municipal judge in our city and when he started his court practice he asked me to come to his court the second time that he sat on the bench and when they were ready to start the court they had everyone rise and as the police ushered him in and he went to the bench and then he said, “Everyone remain standing, he said my father is here and I’m calling him forward to speak blessing over this court.”  And so he…

Sid: So when the judge orders something they have to do it.

Bill: Yes, you do it.

Sid: Even in America.

Bill: That’s right so he began his sixteen year career as a judge with the blessing being spoken over his judgeship and over his court.  And his court was very successful and prosperous all of those years.

Sid: And he just was promoted, tell me about that in Congress.

Bill: Well, last fall he was elected to the State Senate and he’s now the Senator for this District.  And he called me one day from the Senate Office in Atlanta and said, “Dad we want you to come up and pray in the Senate and I want you to speak blessing over the Senate and over all the Senators and over the Governor and the Lieutenant Governor.  So we had a Blessing Service in the Senate in the State of George back in January.

Sid: And tell me about your son, John who is a writer.

Bill: John had a great inspiration to begin to write on the second Pillar of Faith on the Moral Code of God.  So we began to lay hands on him and bless him and God has supernaturally anointed him.  He now has produced four of the books on the Ten Commandments.  They are beautifully illustrated.  They are all in rhythm and they challenge and inspire children and parents as well to have a great honor and respect for the Moral Code of God.

Sid: And very briefly for your surprise eightieth Birthday what did your five grandchildren do?

Bill: Oh my goodness, the church had that for us and as a part of the ceremony the five children and all of my family, two sons my daughter – in- law, my wife and my mother- in- law, they all gathered around me and those children spoke the Aaronic Blessing over Poppa.

Sid: What did that mean to you?

Bill: Oh my goodness Sid, I can’t tell you how significant that was to me and how it moved my heart with deep love and compassion, not only for those babies, but for all of my family and all of my household and the church.

Sid: Do you believe that either of your sons would have achieved what they have achieved so far without the power of the blessing?

Bill: No, I do not I believe that that’s important and I don’t believe that I would have come to the place where I am today.  Here I am walking in health, eighty years of age, walking in health, I feel as healthy and strong as these twenty and thirty years olds walking around your office here.  And I work a full day every day, I’ve been up since five o’clock this morning.

Sid: Oops we are out of time…

Sid: God is putting a burden in the heart of Jewish people to want to know God, and that’s why God is putting a burden in the heart of Christians to want to witness the love of God to Jewish people.  And we’re watching this unfold right before our very eyes and we have someone that was raised up by God that went through things that no human should have to go through, but had a revelation of the love of Father God and wants everyone to experience the love of Father God.  And you see how we experience the love of Father God determines how we receive everything that God has available for us in this life.  And I have to tell you I understand what David said, in reference to “Please don’t take your Holy Spirit from me.”  He understood the love of God the Father and you could take anything away from Paul, anything away from David, but don’t take God’s love away.  And with God’s love, no matter what happens on this earth, you will be in perfect peace, that’s what God has available to his children.  Now AJ had an alcoholic father, an abusive father, especially while he was drinking; a mother that was an alcoholic; she had just very severe asthma; she was anorexic; she was suicidal; she didn’t get along with her siblings.  And she was pulled out of school one day by her mother and found out her father was dying, he was in the hospital, he had fallen down ninety-two stairs, all sorts of internal bleeding, he was not going to survive.  And of all the children the father says “I want to see AJ.”  AJ doesn’t want to see him she was pulled out of school, literally by the hair on her head to go see him because he was dying.  And he wanted to make amends with his daughter and so she goes in, she didn’t realize the reason he was dying is he tried to get off of alcohol and as a result he went into convulsions and seizures and fell down ninety-two stairs.  But his reason for wanting to get off of alcohol was to have a restoration with his daughter AJ.  So AJ is in there, the doctor overhears the conversation and what was the conversation like AJ between you and your Dad?

AJ: Well, when I went around the curtain my Dad just looked over at me and he opened up his hand and he said, “One more chance,” and I said, “No.”  And my Dad started crying and I don’t ever remembering seeing my Dad cry before that, and so it was kind of shocking.  And he said it again, “One more chance and I said, “I can’t do that.”  And I walked away, I just walked back to walk out of the little curtain area and the doctor stopped me and he said, “You know your Father isn’t going to live through the night, so why don’t let him die thinking he has one more chance.”  So I thought about that for a second and thought okay that’s okay if he is going to die, that’s fine.  Then went around and I looked at my Dad and I remember just putting up you know one finger and saying “You have one more chance,” and I wish I had said it with kindness, or anything, but I didn’t I was just, it was almost, I was so angry you know.  And anyway, I ran away, literally I ran out of the hospital and disappeared for several hours.  But what happened was, the bleeding just stopped overnight, I mean the next morning the doctors were like, we can’t explain it you know, but the bleeding has stopped overnight.  And you know, he’s going to be okay, and I just knew that God had kind of set me up.  So I kind of freaked out about that, but my Dad was in the hospital for about a week, a little over a week and then he came out.  So yeah, he ended up checking himself into a drug and alcohol rehab center for, I can’t remember if it was about six or nine months at this point actually, but it was ages and he let all his clients know.  He was an architect and he let them all know that he was an alcoholic and he was getting his family back.  And that sort of started the road for us towards having a relationship.  When he got out he wanted his one more chance that I had promised him and so that was a scary moment for me.  So, I remember sitting down with my Dad and my sister because I didn’t want to be with my Dad on my own and just sort of saying “Okay if you want your one more chance, then here’s the ground rules; if you ever yell at me again I will charge you for everything that you’ve ever done, if you ever touch me again, I’ll charge you for everything that that you’ve ever done.”  I just went through this horrible list with him, and he said, “Yeah, that sounds fair.”  And what that really started for me was probably four or five of the best years of my life where God completely restored our relationship.  I mean, more than restored, because we didn’t really have one before.  And my Dad became like my best friend, we both were swimming competitively and we and we would go to each other’s meets and we would go on vacation, just the two of us.  And we just; he was amazing when he wasn’t drinking; and I remember in high school, my best friend in high school use to call me Dad my other best friend because she knew if I was cancelling with her it was because I was going out with Dad.

Sid: You know that was wonderful, but then you got hit again; I mean how much can one person take; your Dad then after you developed this wonderful relationship with him, he killed himself.

AJ: Yeah.

Sid: Why did he do that?

AJ: I don’t know, I don’t suppose you ever know why, I was about nineteen and we knew that he hadn’t been sleeping and stuff like that.  He had insomnia but just got a call one day and all of a sudden my whole world fell apart again.  And I had been saved about four year years by this time; but if I’m honest I didn’t know.  God was so speaking, but I didn’t know how to hear His voice so I didn’t know where look in the Bible to make me feel any better.  And I hadn’t dealt with any of my issues; I just better shove them all down you know so they all came up real fast.  And life became…

Sid: I noticed that if believers don’t deal with these things the devil sets them up knowing that they have all this stuff inside of them ready to explode.

AJ: Sure it will eat you alive.

Sid: Okay, so you planned to get out of this life the way your Dad did; you planned on committing suicide; you were going to over medicate; what stopped you?

AJ: I heard the voice of God, I was at my Dad’s apartment and my family, my family was kind of a wreck; everybody was a wreck.  And my sister had just gotten out of the physic ward struggling with depression and my mother was struggling with depression so it was just they voted and I was voted in as the strongest member of the family to clean up the mess because we couldn’t pay anyone to clean up the mess of his suicide.  So I was sitting in this room trying to get the blood off of the floor and I just thought, “You know what he had a right and I’m going to do this and I’m going to make sure it works this time.” because I had tried before.  And I got a whole bunch of pills and I got enough that it would have done it and I was just sort of getting ready to swollen them and I heard a voice; like audibly heard a voice in the room very loudly saying, “No, I love you!”  And it shocked me, because I knew nobody was in the house with me and so I dropped all the pills.  And when I finally got my head together and I looked down and the pills were all sitting in his blood and I couldn’t pick them up so I just sat there and I cried until about a half hour later my Mom came back and found me in the same position.  So yeah, God stopped me.

Sid: And not only did He stop you, but a friend then invites you to a church that’s not your style, its John Arnott’s.  At that time it was a Vineyard Church and you’re seated in the congregation against your will; you were coerced to go; and tell me about the first song you heard.

AJ: The first song I heard was an old vineyard song called “Father I Want You to Hold Me” and I had never been in a church like this and I was sitting you know two rows from the back under protest.  And I remember when that first song started playing I heard this horrible sound; this sort of horrible wailing kind of sound and it probably took me literally about thirty seconds to figure out that I was making that sound.  I couldn’t contain the pain any more you know and so as I guess the Holy Spirit was just moving through that room and I uncapped in a very big way.  And so I actually cried all the way through worship, I don’t think a person near me could hear anything.

Sid: And then John Arnott had a word of knowledge, what was it?

AJ: Well, he was at the end of speaking he was standing at the front and he said, “You know there’s somebody here that Daddy loves them.”

Sid: Stop, were out of time, oh, will pick up right here.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is naturally supernatural. His name is Kerry Kirkwood and he has such a precise gift of prophecy. He literally even knows people’s names. Give me an example, Kerry.

KERRY: Well there’s a lady that was asking the Lord for a particular direction in her life; and she wanted to know whether she was going to be remarried or not. And she wanted to be, but didn’t know if it was the will of God. She said, “Lord, if you want me to be remarried then have them tell me my name.” And so we called her out of the audience and spoke over her. And to me, it was just like I was giving a verse of Scripture. I heard the Lord says, “She’s a pearl of great price.” Didn’t mean that much to me, but I knew what was “a word” to her. I said, “You’re a pearl of great price.” She got so excited because her last name was Pearl. Her name was Annie Pearl.

SID: Did you…When you said it, you were just like a secretary just saying, you didn’t know the significance.

KERRY: Right. Yeah, I didn’t know anything of what she was asking. And then secondly, the Word was to her, “And the Lord wants you to you to know that you’re married to him.” And so she got so excited that I had answered the questions; that it was like a code language to her, because I didn’t know anything about it. I was just giving the Scripture at that point. But it spoke things to her. So sometimes prophecy is interpreted by the Holy Spirit, to that person, as to what they’re hearing.

SID: Now when you were six years of age, you had a very significant experience. Just briefly tell me about that.

KERRY: Well one of the first encounters I had I was out in the backyard, under a cottonwood tree playing. And all of a sudden, nature seemed to stop. The birds quit singing, and I can hear just nothing. It became so still. And so I became very scared, and I didn’t want to look up. But I finally ran in to the house; to see if my mother was there, because if she had been taken away. I thought maybe I was the only one left.

SID: Left behind.

KERRY: Exactly. And I looked at her and I said, “I thought you were gone.” So I told her what had happened. And she said, “You had an experience with the Holy Spirit. It’s like an overshadowing, and the hand of God is upon you.” And I knew at that moment there was something that God wanted me to do.

SID: So that was almost your call. But then a few years later, you were dragged to a church where they prophesy; and someone prophesied that event that happened when you were six! Tell me about that.

KERRY: Exactly. A friend of mine, we were going to play on a tennis team together in high school, and he invited me to go to church. I thought it was pretty strange. He never asked me before. We had known each other for a number of years. And so he asked me. Then I called him back and declined; because I heard about them prophesying to people. And I told him, that’s not God because that’s fortune telling, and so God wouldn’t do that. He forced me to go with him anyway. And I was seeing people there rejoicing. They were very happy. And I thought, if I could get out of here alive, then I’m just going to be happy. I was very nervous.

SID: About how old were you?

KERRY: I was a senior in high school; eighteen.

SID:  Okay.

KERRY:  And at the end of the meeting, someone came up behind me, and lay their hands on me; and began to prophesy the very thing, the experience that I had underneath that cottonwood tree. And I was so moved by it. I was on my face just sobbing before God, because I knew at that very moment, that ‘You are the God that You say You are; and that You are my God.’ You’re not just a religious thing and figment. You are literally the God who calls me. And I knew at that moment that He became more personal than just a theological thing.

SID: And you saw these prophets operate. And one day, you breathed a prayer to God. What was that?

KERRY: Yes. I made a vow inside. The prophets were coming and they were calling people out, and just speaking over the direction of their lives. And I saw the joy that it brought these people, and the change it brought in their lives. And I said to myself, you know internally, I said, “One of these days I want to do that.” And I heard the Lord say back to me that, “Whatsoever you desire when you pray, believe you have it.” And I said, “Yes, Lord, I will.”

SID: And that was your destiny. But then, Kerry received a revelation. Let me ask you a question. Do you feel sometimes that your prayers aren’t getting beyond the ceiling? Do you feel sometimes that your prayers are on instant pause; and wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could put it on fast-forward? I mean, just like that. Boom! It’s on fast-forward. It happens. It’s done. Kerry has a revelation that will allow that to happen. Your prayers are going to go on fast-forward. Kerry, tell me the circumstances of how you got this revelation.

KERRY: Well, I was driving on Interstate 30 in Dallas, Texas. Traffic was just horrendous, bumper-to-bumper. Had a young man pull in front of me and ‘bout caused a wreck. And to my surprise, I just blurted out, “Idiot!”

SID: How does someone in the ministry say, “Idiot”?  Now I didn’t say that to you (points at the camera).

KERRY: It just blurted out. And my wife who’s with me says, “Pardon me?” And I said, “Well, I think he is.” And so the Lord spoke to me in my heart and said, “Why did you call me an idiot?”

SID: You weren’t calling Him an idiot. You were calling the other driver an idiot.

KERRY: Yes. But the Lord began to speak to me. He says, “How can you curse man, whom you cannot see and – excuse me, how you curse man whom you can see and bless God who you cannot see? Because, as you’ve done it to the least of these, you’ve done it to me; and I created this young man.” And then He said to me, “Now bless him.” So I kind of flippantly said, “Oh okay, I bless him.” And He said, “No, bless him the way that you would want me to bless you.”

SID: Wow.

KERRY: And so I thought for a moment, wow. So I said, “I release him to fulfill all the purposes of God. I declare over this young man that he would come into the knowledge of the Son of God; that he would be a joy for his family, and that he would fulfill the calling and essence of his own life as well.” And when I did that, it was like the endorphins; I hear about runners, they get a runner high. I felt the pleasure of God just coursing through me physically, emotionally, spiritually; and I thought, this is what it means to delight yourself in the Lord; and I was pleasing God by doing it.

SID: How would you like to feel the pleasure of God? Kerry has found a key that when you call things that are not as if they are, according to God’s Word and not as they are; but what you see with your eyes; you release blessings in your family, you get rid of curses, the devil can’t touch you, sickness goes. Your finances increase. Your job gets better. I mean, it is amazing as he’s teaching this principle, and people grab hold of it; you start acting like the son and daughter of God you were called to be. Don’t go away. We’ll be back right after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, I met about 15 years ago for the first time. I was at a leaders meeting in Israel and I was so struck with the accuracy of a prophet, and he is a prophet, and he knew nothing about me. He didn’t know that I was struggling. He did not know that God had given me a new revelation, and I was proclaiming it everywhere, and I was being hit with the worst resistance. And I went into the meeting where he was speaking, in Israel. I sat down, and your first words to me, do you remember your first words, Chuck Pierce?

CHUCK: I do remember.

SID: What was it?

CHUCK: I remember how I saw what you were struggling with, and how God had such a plan for you to move the body of Christ into a whole new dimension of thinking.

SID: He said the word, “one new man”.

CHUCK: Absolutely.

SID: …I was so encouraged…when you said something to the affect, “You’re going to bring the one new man.” The first time I met you, I knew you had a genuine, true, prophetic gift. I want to find out about how this gift developed in you. But the thing that’s so amazing to me is in 2005, you heard a word about the President of the United States. What did you hear? And by the way, this was documented. This isn’t just he said it after the fact. In 2005, what did you hear?

CHUCK: Well we were traveling across every state in America, Doug Sheets and I, and we had gone across Alabama from Birmingham to Montgomery. In Montgomery, we were in a large church, Kyle Searcy’s church, and while we were there the Spirit of God came down and said, “You prophecy that the next president will be a black man; and an Afro-American would become the next President in America.”

SID: Now that took, we Jewish people have a word. It’s called “chutzpah”, nerve. That took chutzpah, Chuck.

CHUCK: It did. It really did to be that specific because I knew, that by 2008, that would be able to be tracked.

SID: And the thing that’s interesting to me is that he realized, when an African-American would become President of the United States; but he knew it way back then, that the curse from slavery would be neutralized; but as you put it, the roots would not be dealt with. Now, if a curse is neutralized, and let’s not get into it yet, but the basic root of the curse is not dealt with; what’s the repercussion?

CHUCK: Well if the basic root isn’t dealt with, Sid, it’s going to rise up, and it’s going to produce a different type of fruit; not the fruit that we were normally used to seeing, but the root will come alive again. Now the root of all slavery is anti-Semitism, linked with the concept of Mammon. And so, one of the things that I was seeing was, God was going to deal with the slavery issue that had divided America. But the root issue of anti-Semitism would then arise, and I believe the Lord showed me within three years…

SID: You know, the most amazing thing is, what he showed you on that. We’ll get to that in a minute. But I want to find out about the making of a prophet. You ended up, through sheer exhaustion, in a hospital; and there was a Pentecostal minister in the next bed. Talk about a set-up. So take me to that.

CHUCK: It was a sovereign time. First of all, our family had great potential. And my dad, who was a wonderful man; who had the ability to prosper, had fallen into corruption and died a premature death. That left me with being the first child over a 400-acre piece of land, ranch, and various aspects of it. And in the midst of it, we were not in good shape. Exhaustion came to me because I was working, I was going to school. I was partying, in ways I shouldn’t have been partying. And my grandmother, who was a godly woman, came to me, on my mother’s side, and said, “God has a different plan for you. Not the same plan that your dad, not the same direction your dad went.” And of course, when you’re 18, you don’t want to hear all that. Three months later, I ended up exhausted, with double pneumonia, in the hospital; and of course, my grandmother was a nurse in the hospital, came into my room and said, “I told you this was going to happen to you.” I was under oxygen. But God – in His sovereign grace, put me in a room with a Pentecostal preacher, who introduced me to someone I didn’t know, the Holy Spirit.

SID: And the Spirit of God came on you, literally.

CHUCK: He got out of the hospital and the Spirit of God visited me for three days.

SID: And there were two main things that were accomplished during these three days. The first thing that happened was Israel.

CHUCK: The first thing that happened was he told me, “Read the Bible.” Well there was something, the Spirit of God was there. He drew me to the Word of God. I started reading. In Genesis, you can’t read Genesis without coming into a question and an understanding of covenant. Now remember, the Spirit of God was visiting me. Therefore, it was as if the Word of God was redoing me from inside out; using the Word of God, and producing an understanding of covenant. The God of Israel, I believe, visited me. I believe the Spirit of God, who is represented through the Son, revealed to me the God of Israel. And in the midst of that, I began to see Israel. Something else happened, Sid. During the time I was there, it was the Munich Olympics, and I saw the hatred. Now I’m reading the Word, and God is revealing to me Israel. And how did He do that? My dad had acquired all the 12 sections of land of his inheritance. And there, I’m reading the Bible, and it’s about 12 tribes. And all of a sudden, it was as if I knew that if God could promise this group; who had a lot of mess about them, what He was promising them, He could do a work with the same family, bloodline that I had.

SID: I believe that he had such an encounter with the Holy Spirit that, number one; someone’s neck was just healed. That’s not number one. But that’s what God just told me. But number one, he got a revelation on Israel, and he has hung with that revelation. Number two, God spoke to him, and said he would restore everything that had been taken; and he could teach others how to restore everything that has been stolen from them; because of this revelation in Israel. And number three, he was so saturated with the Spirit of God, he began to prophecy the most astounding things. Wait ’til you hear what he heard about President Barak Obama. Be back right after this word.

Sid: I was interviewing Matt Sorger and we started talking about his mother and I said, “Could you put her on the phone?”  “Because Veronica, I believe that you have to share is going to help so many people right now.  When Matt was about twelve years of age, you became sick, and not just sick very sick you went to doctors, they couldn’t help you.  You went to alternative health people, they couldn’t help you, then you resorted to things like Hinduism and Buddhism and New Age, but instead of getting better, what happened to you?”

Veronica: Well, I actually grew worse and worse and it was like I was on a journey looking for a way that God would not only heal me, but it actually originated with a desire in my heart to find out how God would heal people here on earth.  That’s when my journey began and during that journey I became very ill.

Sid: And of course, you got to the point where your bed ridden and towards the end of 1986 your mother invited you to a church service and you tried everything else so you go to this church; you’re in the back of the church and what happened?

Veronica: Well, I was extremely broken there was no pride, I was as broken as any person could be and I was calling out for the mercy of God and He would heal me because there was no man, there was no medicine, there was not even any religious forms that was able to help me so I just totally threw myself on His mercy.

Sid: And what happened to you?

Veronica: Well, the Priest asked everyone to come up who needed prayer for healing so I actually had never heard of the power of God coming on anyone, I had never seen it or experienced it myself so my mind understanding was just that the Priest would pray for me and that would be it and I was actually in a place of more hope.  The scripture I went there on is “Come to me, although weary and burdened and I will rest for your soul.”  I didn’t really have an awareness of any healing scriptures at that point.  And when the Priest went to anoint me with oil, he never really was able to get the oil on me because I was overshadowed by this incredible power that literally threw me back through the air.  And I hit the floor and while I was on the floor, there was charges and volts of electricity flowing through every part of my body.  And the amazing thing was that I was in place of euphoria, I always tell people that it was very difficult to describe it but it was totally euphoric, bliss, peace and first I knew that I had found God.  And secondly the place was such an incredible experience that it’s difficult to put it in words that I have often wondered if the Lord had said to me, “Would you like to be here if I wouldn’t have said yes, because there is just nothing on the face of this earth to compare to the place that I was experiencing while I was laying there on the floor with all these volts of electricity flowing through me.

Sid: Now I understand the power was so strong that when it first hit you, it threw you back, how far would you say?

Veronica: I would say easily it threw me back perhaps ten feet.

Sid: Did you hurt yourself?

Veronica: Well, actually not at that time, I was at such a place of where it was actually beautiful I didn’t feel any hurt or anything at all.

Sid: I mean what a jolt of power!

Veronica: Yeah, but the very next day I actually had trouble turning my neck and when I asked the Lord, I was so innocent in my faith and so childlike that I just simply said to my Father in heaven, “You hurt me when you did that to me, could you please take it away?”  And instantly, instantly as the words came out of my mouth it totally left and I was healed.

Sid: Well, this made such an impression on Matt, that as a result of you being healed it transformed his life.  Just out of curiosity, what kind of kid was he before he became a believer in the Messiah?

Veronica: Well, Matt was always a very good child, actually an exceptionally good child, very bright and even as a young boy when we would go to church at times, as a Catholic I didn’t go faithfully, but he loved it.  He would actually was eager to go, there was something in Matt at a very young age that he was just drawn very very easily to the Lord.

Sid: Hi Matt, now when your mother was healed it had an effect on you, tell me what effect did it have?

Matt: Yeah when, the night that my Mom got healed and she came home from that Catholic Healing Mass, she walked into the front door and she looked like a totally different person.  She was bright, she was happy, she was smiling for the first time in two years and instantly I knew that something dramatic had happened and I asked her and I said, “What happened to you?”  She said, “Jesus healed me tonight.”  And began just to tell me about God and the reality of Jesus and how He stepped into her life that night and within a day I was giving my heart to Jesus.  And it was strange what happened to me as she was talking to me about Jesus all of sudden inside of my spirit or inside of myself I received an awareness of sin which I did not have up until that point; all of a sudden I could feel the sin that was there.

Sid: And yet your Mom just said you are a pretty good kid before you were saved.

Matt: Ha-ha, you know I guess I was a good kid, but even if you’re a good person there’s still sin in the heart.  Even if you are a really good person, everyone needs to be forgiven because no one is perfect.  So, but I became aware of the sin nature, I became aware of the element of sin that was there and I knew I needed forgiveness and that’s what led me, that day to salvation in Christ.  I saw what happened with my Mom, but then the Holy Spirit personally touched my heart.

Sid: Okay, so that was about age fourteen, but then here’s the thing I don’t understand, help me out Matt; at fifteen you would go into, I was involved, when I first became a believer I would go to what was called the Catholic Charismatic Movement because that was the only Charismatic that was available at that time and I would feel the presence of God, but then when I would worship by myself I wouldn’t feel that same degree of anointing.  Did you find that was also true with you?

Matt: That, that’s exactly what happened to me, when we started to go to church well at that point we encountered God, my parents found a good Spirit filled Bible teaching church we started attending.  During the corporate meetings at church I would feel this amazing presence of God during the worship time, then I would come home and I would go into my room and have my own private time where I would talk to God and I wouldn’t feel His presence at all, it was very different for me something on the inside of me started to rise up where I said, “Lord or God I want to experience Your presence one on one not just when I’m at church.”  And I wanted more of God, then one day a week in a Sunday morning church service yep.

Sid: And but here’s the thing I don’t get, you knew nothing, like me when I got saved, I came from a traditional Jewish background, you came from a Catholic background, we both knew nothing.  But you would take about an hour a day and worship the Lord whether you felt anything or not.

Matt: Yeah.

Sid: What caused you to do that?  That’s what I don’t get?

Matt: It’s true, you know I think I just got so hungry for God, it wasn’t something that came from somebody telling me to do it, it just came out of my Spirit, I think God was calling me, He was drawing me and there was a hunger in me for Him that I wanted…

Sid: What would you do?  What would you do?  Would you play music?

Matt: I would go into my room and I would, well back then we had cassette tapes.

Sid: In the olden days. Okay ha-ha.

Matt: I would put my little tape recorder on and I had this one Hosanna worship CD and I would play it and I would let the music play in my room and I would sing just like we would sing at church.  And I would spend about an hour doing this; I would just let the whole tape play through both sides.

Sid: Every day?

Matt: Every day.

Sid: Okay, you finally reached what you call a saturation point, what do you mean by that?

Matt: Yeah, I remember the moment it happened; I’m standing in my room, fifteen years old about fourteen fifteen and I’m lifting my hands up singing a song I probably sung hundreds of times before and then all of a sudden to me it felt like heaven opened up over me and this anointing, this presence this tangible presence of God’s glory filled me and then filled the whole room.  And I believe as I reflect on what happened was, you know my spirit was sealed with the Holy Spirit when I got saved; but then as I kept pressing in worship, no matter what my soul felt or my body felt, because the Holy Spirit was still in my spirit man, but as I kept pressing in and worshipping a well was being dug out of my spirit in my spirit that eventually overflowed into my soul, overflowed into my body.  I call that the saturation point which means you just spend so much time in God’s presence that he just overflows out of your spirit into your soul which is your emotion, your body and then that is when your senses begin to feel His presence.

Sid: How long did it take for that to happen in your life?

Matt: Oh, for me it was about I would say about four months that I just worshipped.

Sid: And then, after it happened every time you would worship you would feel that abundance of the Spirit?

Matt: Yeah, it was like once that breakthrough happened it was there. 

Sid: You know what I believe the people that are listening to us right now are about ready to have a breakthrough in their life because you’ve got a brand new book and it’s called “Power for Life.”  And when you were writing this book I understand you had a visitation for three nights of angels.  Did you actually see them, did you feel them?

Matt: I felt them very strongly, as I was sitting at the table writing, reviewing you know the last words of the manuscript; the manuscript was due that week and I pulled a whole week where I was writing, writing, writing.  And the last three nights as I was there an angel came behind me and I could feel his presence behind me and his hand on my shoulder.  And as I was writing and reviewing the manuscript that angel stayed with me for three nights as I finished the manuscript.

Sid: Well, Mishpochah I understand why, when you read this book you’re going to learn how to plug into the power of God, how to pull your future into the now.  There will be no more waiting for answers; I know that’s what you want…pull your future into the now; that’s what you need.

Sid: The separation between Jew and Gentile, it’s finally come down and someone’s back was just healed in Yeshua’s name.  Getting ready Mishpochah to blow the grandest shofar and you’re going to hear the grandest shofar blowing on this show, the grandest trumpet in Zion, we want everyone everywhere to hear the good news.  We want everywhere to be Red Hot for the Messiah, my guests Don and Sue Heist. Don has an amazing gift of blowing the shofar, it’s not because it sounds better than any I have ever heard before and it does, it’s because of the anointing, the anointing destroys the yoke.  Don Heist, you were telling me on yesterday’s broadcast as we were going off the air that God showed you something about Gideon, tell me.

Don: Yes, it was that the use of the shofar that when Gideon took his army into the Amalekites camp they were expecting that they were going to be fighting with them.  And so they broke their clay pots, held up there torches so they could see and sound of the shofar.  What happened was when they sounded the shofar the Amalekites got so confused that they actually turned on each other and were fighting and killing each other.  So I understand the story Gideon any his army were pretty much just standing there watching the enemy kill itself and they won the battle God gave them the victory and they didn’t have to do anything.  And I believe just as in Jericho the shofar is instrumental tool of worship and warfare and God’s voice being emitted from it as what really does all the power of healing or warfare.

Sid: Now, what you do which is very interesting on you CD “Take Me In” it is fully orchestrated but one of the instruments is the shofar.  And you also do the traditional that Messianic Jews and Orthodox Jew have been doing for thousands of years that literally, how did we get these originally get these original melodies that you do on this CD?  Where did they originally come from?

Don: Well, these have been passed down through generations and generations of Jewish Rabbis and Jewish followers of the Church or the Synagogue because no where have we ever found that them being written down.  So we don’t know for a fact how accurate we are when we are playing them, but we do know that by word of mouth they have been passed down through the generations for the use in the Jewish Synagogue and now we use them in the Messianic Circles as the same meanings to do the same things that they’ve always been used for but we’re exposing them and using them in more public manner that believers and nonbelievers alike can hear.

Sid: Sue, I have a question for you, who is Don’s wife.  You hear of all of these amazing reports of people being healed, and as a matter of fact, let me just interject something.  You had a prophetic word Don in 2007 and now people may or may not have been healed before but after that prophetic word, and explosions of healing occurred.  Who was that that prophesied over you and what even happened at that meeting.

Don: Well, we were at a conference in South Florida and Bob Griffin was there and as he was passing across the front of the platform where Paul Wilbur Worship Band and I were standing, he was prophesying and he just stopped and turned his head and looked at me and when our eyes met, I have to be honest and say it, it frightened me because it because I knew that he was about to say something to me.  And so he looked at me, pointed his finger towards me and said, “I have a word for you from God.”  And I’m standing there in awe wondering what’s coming and he says, “God just told me tell you that whenever you blow the cancer must go.”  And from that moment on we were getting reports of the most amazing things happening with healings.  There was a man at the conference that night that I sounded the shofar into his chest and a few weeks later he sends me an email that says that he was completely healed, that the testing when he went back to the hospital, all these golf ball size lumps in his chest were totally gone.

Sid: Okay, let’s go back to Sue right now, Sue, your hearing all these reports, you’re witnessing with your eyes, I know that when you had your husband on we had so many healings from him just blowing the shofar.  But you were rear ended in an auto accident and you had a horrible condition that went on for eighteen years, you’re seeing all these other people healed, didn’t you wonder why you weren’t being healed?

Sue: I waited a long time, yes I did and this preparing Don to leave for another conference that I had this righteous anger that just kind of arose.

Sid: Let’s go back a little bit; what were you diagnosed and describe your worse situation with this diagnosis.

Sue: The diagnosis was Arnold Chiari malformation which is a brain malformation where the tonsil of the brain lies low in the skull or outside the skull.  It’s degenerative and the only choice to make any changes was some very serious surgery with high complications because it being the brain and the vertebrae.  And we prayed and prayed.

Sid: What were the symptoms of this?

Sue: It prevented me from bending over when I would bend over forward to pick anything up I would have a severe knife stabbing pain on top of my head, sometimes it would last for minutes, sometimes it would last for days.  I could not do anything with movement as to riding as a passenger in the car, I had to drive rather than ride, I could not do elevators or escalators, it got to the point where they put prisms on my reading glasses so that it would pull my eyes back in because I need vision therapy because the eyes could not track properly.  Depth perception is a problem, anything with movement; I couldn’t watch any movement on TV whether it be football or ice skating or anything like that.

Sid: So you could not even be a passenger in a car?

Sue: No.

Sid: I mean you really were isolated by this, Don it must have been very hard for you to live with your wife’s condition, seeing all these other people healed and seeing your wife suffer for these eighteen years.

Don: Yes, it was and that’s the saving grace of the whole thing is that God just kept encouraging both of us to hang on by prayer and calling out on him.  We knew the day would come at some day the total healing.  We prayed together every day for her complete restoration and healing no matter what the doctor said.

Sid: Okay Sue, even though it was incurable short of very dangerous surgery that could have result in something even worse, one day you reached you point and you and Don agreed in prayer and he blew the shofar over you, do remember that day?

Sue: I do.

Sid: Tell me about it.

Sue: He was getting ready to leave for a conference and I just believed very strongly that healing needs to start at home, if our home is healed and healthy our churches would be healed and healthy and one last time I asked him to pray for me before he left and I wanted him to blow the shofar right into the back of my head where the brain malformation was.  He was a little resistant because of the sound being so loud and I demanded it and just cried on him one more time, please pray before you leave.  And he did, he left for the conference, he was gone three days and I just gave it to the Lord and said, “Okay, it’s in your hands, I was obedient to get the prayer and now it’s up to you God.”  And over those three days he was gone I started seeing healing being manifested in my body that the first day he was gone I dropped something on the floor, which normally I could not bend over and pick up with not severe pain and I bent over without even thinking and I picked it up and I just stopped myself and was shocked, it was like, wait a minute I don’t have any pain.  But over the three days he was gone, things just started changing until he came home that Sunday evening at the airport I actually rode the moving walkway with our son and we rode and escalator and our son was just astonished, no I can’t let you do this Mom, you are going to be so sick.  I said, No, I’m not sick any more.  And every symptom…

Sid: How long have you been symptom free?

Sue: Two and a half years a little over two and half years, October it will be three years.

Sid: Okay, time is slipping away, people listen to me right now Mishpochah, I believe the anointing is going to destroy the yoke on your life.  Let’s hear a selection “Holy Worship”

Don Heist’s selection “Holy Worship” 9.31 -11.20

Sid: Well, my guest is red hot for the Messiah; I just wish you’d been a fly on the wall hearing the conversation I had with Chuck Pierce before we even started this interview.  But Chuck, I don’t know how many years ago it was, but I happened to have been in Israel and you were in Israel meeting a group of leaders and someone found out I was there and they invited me to that meeting.  And as the meeting started you looked over at me and you said something to the effect of “You’re supposed to bring the One New Man or talk about the One New Man.”  And I didn’t even know you at the time; and I don’t think you even knew I was talking about that at the time.  Do you remember that at all or not?

Chuck: I do, I do Sid, first of all let me just say, I can’t think of anybody I would rather be talking to right now than you, and all of you listeners out there; this ministry and is probably one of the very best that you watch in days ahead to get the right message of what’s happening as the Church comes into its Kingdom, full Kingdom expression as the nations begin to clash in days ahead.  Sid it was probably, that was probably fifteen years ago that that happened and I just knew you by the Spirit, I think you opened your mouth and I thought, “He’s the guy who understands this.”  And it was so few then that really understood how God was bringing Jew and Gentile together.  I think once I heard you make two or three sentences immediately my heart leapt and said, “He’s the one.”

Sid: Well, I was impressed that you caught that so fast, because I was fairly new at teaching on that area at that time and as a matter of fact I don’t want to go into detail, but many that have embraced what I teach today, when I taught it back then, you would have thought that I was spreading leprosy because they was so different from their paradigm.

Chuck: I think that it was because of that wall of division there.

Sid: But do you know what; there is more to this Chuck that it’s going deeper and deeper and with your prophetic gift, I want our Mishpochah to have an accurate understanding of the future.  And one of the things that I think is a amazing is the prophecy that you delivered in 2005 and tell us that prophecy.

Chuck: Well, many of you know that Dutch Sheets and I visited all fifty states when the prayer movement was coming into fullness in America and getting ready to shift.  And we knew that we needed to visit all states.  So when we got to Alabama we were in Birmingham with Kyle Searcy and who is a wonderful, wonderful leader in Alabama; and in the midst of the service there, which probably had 1,500 people in it; the Spirit of God fell on me and said, “I have brought you here to decree that out of this place; and here’s what happens to me Sid.  All of a sudden when I’m in the presence of God I can see into the future and all of a sudden in 2005 I could see that the next President would be an a Afro-American President.

Sid: Well, that was a good way to get labeled a false prophet, because the probability in 2005 of us having an African American President was probably minus zero.

Chuck: Well, and I remember Kyle saying, “You know we thought that was such a far-fetched prophecy that we kept that prophecy, we recorded it and we kept it before us to see if what you said then would happen and that meant if it happened the other things that was being prophesied that night was going to happen.

Sid: Well, I’m on the edge of my seat, “What other things did you prophecy, I mean anyone that could catch that, that President Barack Obama would be the first African American President.  And when did you say that would happen?

Chuck: I said, “By 2008, it would be the next president.”

Sid: Okay, what else did you see at that time?

Chuck: Well, I tell you it set me on a journey, it set me on a personal journey and it set me on a journey in shifting my own life to pray in a different way, because what I saw was really; what I began to see at that point was really how we had focused on the racial issue in America; before the civil war slavery for four hundred years.  God was going to bring some sort of neutralization to that 400 year cycle of what we call slavery; but what he was really going to deal with was going to be the anti-Semitic root of slavery!  And take us fully into an expression of how we would align with Israel beginning this year.  Now God did not show me fullness, the plan of fullness of this until May 2008, but I started the journey in 2005.  Another thing that it did Sid was all of my friends who, many of them are very conservative in their political stance; they were striving to see who to support and who would win the election so that it could prophecy correctly in 2008 and I finally had to say, “Now, wait a minute guys, you’re prophesying this guy and that guy and that guy and none of that is going to happen; a black man will be nominated and he will win the election.  And I was actually asked by friends, “Please do not say that because you have prophetic influence and it will sway people in this nation not to vote correctly.”

Sid: Okay, but you also saw something back then that would happen in, you were so specific, in May of 2011; what did you see?

Chuck: By 2008 God had started showing me really what this nation was beginning, how we were beginning to turn and so I was at Liberty Island, remember you know how we rhythm things every year?  So in 2008 it was the year to open the gates and so they had a meeting up at Liberty Park at Ellis Island where most of our people had come through; immigrants had come through into this nation.  And we were to open the gate again and invite the Glory of God in and what they would do; they would come through Ellis Island, they would sign the register and then they would go on a train into Newark and into New York City.  So we actually rented the train station there, this group did in Newark and we had a meeting there; we had about 1500 people in and I was to be the speaker.  When I got there the Spirit of God fell on me and caught me up.  Now this made me very useless as a speaker for a major gathering because He caught me up into a Heavenly Realm and He began again to show me three years ahead what would happen.  See I think with me Sid, one of the things that I see is I see that when I’m at the right place at the right time as it says in Acts, as the word of God says in Acts 17:24 – 27, when I’m in that moment all of a sudden it says that He predetermines your times and place, that means you can see the horizon line of the future.  And I believe what He did with me at that moment was show me what would happen and in it He showed me details of this nation; of what would happen in this nation, state by state, by state, by state.  Now before I want to give you, I want you to ask me some questions, but I do want to say this, the first three states he showed me were Arizona, Alabama and Alaska.  This was in May 2008; and in the midst of that it was clear how this nation would begin to take its next turn in history.

Sid: But what did He say about would happen in May of 2011?

Chuck: Well, and see He showed me our nation with its relationship with Israel; he showed me every state’s relationship with Israel.  I’ll go ahead and say this, I came back after that and I was a little shaken from the vision so I did two things,  I asked Robert Heidler, which many of you know that name because he wrote, “Messiah Church Arising.” And he and I work together we co-labor together in Ministry.  I came back and I described each state what it looked like and he drew it for me as I described it; so we have that record.  Then I started researching each state, Janice Sweeney who is one of our Pastors here started researching each state.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, “We’re out of time; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Chuck; but I am overwhelmed over some of the things God has shown you…”

Sid: Now my guest Larry Hutton, has got the most wonderful key, Larry I have to tell you when I was listening to your CD’s and the CD has a title “How to Live in Peace All the Time” I felt I could feel the peace of God.  I could feel the pleasure of God; I mean I have so enjoyed listening to your teaching that I had to find out in 1977 when you had a visitation you told me that the presence of God was so strong that you probably couldn’t even get up?

Larry: Yeah, yeah it was pretty awesome.

Sid: Jus out of curiosity, was it ever that strong before that time?

Larry: No Sir, no I had never experienced it before that time.

Sid: I bet you were one excited young man.

Larry: It definitely transformed your life, I mean when you start talking about not having anymore down days the rest of your life; I mean I thought that was too good to be true.  But thank God he showed me in the word, the Bible and it really is true.

Sid: Larry, in 2010 God spoke to you a very sobering word about what’s coming on the earth, tell me what He said.

Larry: Well, he told me that things in the world were going to get worse, that we had not seen the worse yet, but that for His children, for the children that are following after the Lord Jesus that it would not be a time of turmoil it would be a time of being light.  You can walk in His peace right through the dark times and right through those stressful and hurting times and have them not overwhelm you.  So it was pretty sobering in one sense and…

Sid: I have to believe that the message that God taught you in 1977 where He personally taught you how to live in peace all the time, step by step was in preparation for what believer’s need now at this point in history.  There’s going to be…, you know what it reminds me of?  It reminds me of the Exodus where there was a distinction between God’s people and the Egyptians.  That’s what I’m hearing you say.

Larry: Right, yeah because I mean with time the way they are in the financial arena and physical things attacking people and all this stuff it’s like I mean, just overwhelming for people in their mental and emotions and to learn to walk free from that is just…

Sid: Now when God talked to you to you personally in 1977 and told you that you could live like this 24-7 you told me, it was hard for you to believe.

Larry: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me the first test you had that you could remember because as you explained, since ’77 you’ve had plenty of opportunity to have fear and worry etc. but in the early days you must have had what I find is when God gives us a revelation;  the devil gives us a major test.  Tell me about it.

Larry: Yeah, well the Lord had taught me that all of the fears and the stress and the depression and discouragement, all of those things we have to face that He already faced them at the cross and defeated them for us.  So I remember I was at Delta Airlines one time and some lies were told about me that it looked like it was going to make me lose my job. Management had gotten wind of it and they didn’t want to give me the opportunity to defend myself and so I had all of this I was wanting to you know how the old saying, “I’m going to kill those people that lied about me.”  So I had my anger, and then depression and then fear of losing my job and all of this stuff and the Lord reminded me; He said, “Remember what I taught you in John 16:33. That I’ve deprived it of power to harm you and defeated it and conquered it for you.”  And so then I just remember standing up and He told me, “Now speak to those feeling, speak to those negative emotions, talk to them like you would a person and tell them I already told you in advance they were coming and that they were coming and that they were defeated.”  And I remember Sid; I jumped up and just started almost shouting, I mean just started shouted, heah you, just talking to those feeling that I was so about to be overwhelmed with.  Talking to them and just said, “Listen, you don’t have any power to make me depressed, you don’t have any power to make me stressed or worried, I am free!  Jesus already defeated you and I’m free from you; I have the peace of God in me.”  And Sid, when I said that another supernatural thing happened, I felt like I was enveloped in a bubble.  I mean it’s hard to explain it, it was like I was in this bubble of peace that God just garrisoned me like the hedge of Job, it was like all of a sudden I had this peace that I couldn’t even explain.  And I just walked through the midst of that storm and a short time later all of the lies came out; I never even said one word to defend myself but God turned the whole situation around.

Sid: When something like that happens, when you just know inside like you knew when you started speaking to all that turmoil that was hitting you.  Do you ever jump up and down and get excited because you realize what has occurred even though you can’t see it with your natural eye?

Larry: I’m sure some people would probably think it’d be silly if they saw me, there’s been times when I had things like that happen where I just do a little, I guess I’d call it I’d do a little gig, I just dance before the Lord.  It’s just like Lord, you just, I mean it just thrills your soul so much, you just can’t help.  It’s like joy unspeakable.

Sid: Okay, Larry between you and me just the two of us now, it’s been a long time since 1977, you’ve had many opportunities, many, many, many I mean I can probably throw a few that have hit me in the last week.  I’ve had many, many, many opportunities.  Everyone listening to us has, are you telling me that since 1977 you can really say you’ve had no stress filled days, no depression, no woe is me days, no strife filled days, you’re really telling me that?

Larry: I am really telling you that, but between us and face of the Lord Jesus that I have not had a down day, a stress filled day, a depressed day, a discouraged, day.  Plenty of opportunities like you say, but I learned how to pass them up; I learned how to not let them overtake me when they came against me.

Sid: Now you were telling me that over the years since you’ve taught this people with physical conditions get healed.  What about someone with high blood pressure?  Do many people take this teaching and their blood pressure becomes normal?

Larry: Yeah, we’ve had quite a few testimonies of people coming up and they’d tell me, “Larry I was a like a major worry wart and I just always worried and it just caused high blood pressure; but when I found out that Jesus gave me His peace and I didn’t have to worry anymore; I got set free and the blood pressure stabilized and I don’t have to take the medicine anymore.  We heard that many, many, many times.

Sid: What about people, big chronic problem in America with Christians as well as non-Christians is insomnia, I bet this has a lot to do with curing insomnia.

Larry: We have and we actually have gotten testimonies from people that have been telling us that they used to have sleep disorders, and sleep problems and that they actually learned that they could not only live in peace during the day time, but they could lay down in peace at night and then have their sleep sweet.  And that’s been a wonderful testimony, I love hearing people say that; because you know Sid, man when people can’t sleep then that causing all kinds of problems in every other area of your life.

Sid: I have to believe this is such a key, I mean I’ve heard medical studies that people with cancer, if they’ll watch comedies and laugh and laugh it releases some good things in their body and they actually get healed.  Well I happen to believe the reverse is also true; if you’re living in strife all the time, if you’re living in fear and in worry and in panic.  And you’re like a roller coaster, you’re going up and down, it’s got to release things in the body that cause you to be sick.

Larry: Absolutely, absolutely I mean I’ve even talked to doctor friends that have told me that you know that when they go to medical school they’re trained to diagnose these different illnesses.  And when people come in and they can’t diagnose them they realize man this is caused by stress, it’s caused by depression, it’s caused by anger, just all of these things that our bodies were not created to handle; and so it just causes all kinds of messes.

Sid: Now, before this happened to you, before ’77 and the Lord personally came to you, you felt His presence in such a tangible fashion and He showed you step by step how you could live the rest of your life with no down days.  Tell me some of the more severe emotional problems that you were dealing with before that happened.

Larry: You know I didn’t think that I was an emotional unstable person then.  I remember the Lord spoke to me about that and showed me, “Larry if you can’t control your temper then your emotionally unstable.”  Man that was like a low blow, it’s like I thought, woe I’m not emotionally unstable, I’m strong; I’m an athlete I got my act together.  But when I let temper and anger control me and then when things would happen and depression and discouragement and those things would overwhelm me and just rule your life you know.  Just cause you to make wrong decisions and treat people wrong and be mean to people and ugly and it was things like that that I needed…

Sid: Larry, were out of time, but I have to tell you I feel the pleasure of God on your teaching.