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Sid: And I’ve got 2 Jewish people on the telephone they’re married to each other that are red hot for the Messiah. I’ll speak first with Geoffrey Cohen. I’m speaking to them at their home at Ventura California. And Geoffrey you were raised in South Africa and had a very good Orthodox upbringing are there many Jewish people in South Africa?
Geoff: Well when I was growing up there was about 120,000 I believe now it runs between 70 and 80,000.
Sid: It’s still a pretty pretty good size Jewish community.
Geoff: Yeah it’s very strong economically very strong in the business world over there.
Sid: Well tell me about your Orthodox Jewish background.
Geoff: Well I went to an Orthodox Jewish Schools really from kindergarten of which even kindergarten was Orthodox Jewish. And most of my friends until my last 2 years of high school were all Jews so I had very little interaction with non-Jews of course that were around me time. But I was brought up in a very tight knit Jewish community because of Anti-Semitism in South Africa it made the Jewish Community even more tight knit.
Sid: You know I’m thinking as the world itself according to the word of God and according to what we’re seeing becomes increasing more anti-Semitic it will cause Jewish people to come back together if could have been lost in the United States but it will cause that. And what we’re believing is that it will cause Christians and Jews to bond together. But you did a nice Jewish thing you went to the university to study law.
Sid: Why did you go into the military was it required?
Geoff: Ah yeah I was actually in my second year of law in South Africa and I had to do it…it was mandatory to do the military it was never my desire to you know to serve in the military there because of apart-a and these things like that.
Sid: But you bumped into a lot of Anti-Semitism in the military why’s that.
Geoff: Well if you look at the historical roots of South Africa many of the Elfie-Connors that are the ancestors of the Dutch, German and French. But they’re called Elfie-Connors and many of them during the II World War or the I World War were sympathetic of the Germans. And of course the Nazi’s World War II mainly because of the tension between the British and them because the global at the turn of the century. And so of course there’s many Elfie-Connors who are wonderful Christians so that definitely the case but many of them are pretty Anti-Semitic because of that sort of Anti-British pro-German kind of sentiment that we experienced.
Sid: And you took up a very un-Jewish profession you took up boxing why is that?
Geoff: Yes well because although I’m not small I’m about 5’1 185 pounds which man Elfie-Connors are very big 200 pounds which describes normal over 6 ft.
Sid: Well I’ll just fit in fine there go ahead. (Laughing)
Geoff: (Laughing) Yeah so basically it was just to defend myself and I actually became quite good at boxing and so I was actually offered a professional boxing contract before I left the country. But I decided that boxing wasn’t for nice Jewish boys.
Sid: But what was why did you leave the country?
Geoff: Basically I just wanted to make my future outside of South Africa. In fact I would have gone to live in Israel and I would have served in the Israeli Army that was my desire but at that the time I was dating a nice Jewish girl in South Africa and because of my loyalty to her to stay in the country and go to the army. But really my heart was to go to Israel and become a citizen and serve in the Israeli Army.
Sid: You eventually did go to Israel.
Geoff: I did.
Sid: And live on a kibbutz.
Geoff: Yes I did.
Sid: And you met a man by the name of Frank tell me about him.
Geoff: Yeah I hope Frank’s listening to this because I’ve been trying to contact him for about 16 years. (Laughing) All that I remember about him is that he was the son of the Vice Secretary of the America Navy I believe it was in 1984. But really stood out to me about him is that he was a true born again Christian. And basically what happened was while we were on the kibbutz called “Shyin we were sitting outside and having a drink or 2 and just talking about world politics. And everybody had their opinion as is the case when you discuss politics you can have 20 opinions especially when many of them are Jewish you can have 100 opinions.
Sid: Of course a kibbutz is sort of a communal place that many Israelis live on and it was the way that Israel really started originally.
Sid: And so you’re just enjoying yourself and how did he start this subject?
Geoff: Well basically everybody was talking about their opinion of politics and if the Russians are right or the Americans are right or if the Arabs are right. And everybody was trying to decide “Should Israel have invaded Lebanon in 1982 and they were discussing this and everybody had their opinion. And then basically this guy started to speak and he said “The problem is not America, it’s not communism, it’s not capitalism he said the problem is sin.” And I thought “Oh no here we go now this guy is going to preach to us this is all we need now.”
Sid: Had anyone ever preached to you now?
Geoff: You know they had and I but I never touched home with me because I thought that it was God’s way of reaching the Gentiles, I thought that Jesus came for the Gentiles and that’s very nick for now the Gentiles can also have a relationship with God as well as us Jews. And so I was very happy for all of the Gentiles that the too could know God. But I believe that us Jews just go directly to God we didn’t need a mediator. But I’ve since determined that that’s not the case but that’s what I believed. And so I never heard the gospel presented in a way that was relevant to me or it made any sense to me.
Sid: But what did he say that had an impact on an Orthodox Jew from South Africa?
Geoff: Well seriously it wasn’t what he said although it was partly what he said. But what really had tremendous impact on me was this man’s zeal that he was absolutely willing to lay down his life for what he believed. And with the people around him I mean we some people got pretty mad at him so I just saw that he wasn’t wavering he was unmoved and he was fearless in his faith so that his conviction about what he believed is what’s impressed me the most. But then when he began to explain what sin was for the first time it made sense to me because many people don’t know this many Jewish people don’t have a normal concept of original sin like a Christian would know to be born in sin. Maybe not a real understanding of what sin is or what sin is and I didn’t. And he said basically every person is selfish and that’s why ever country and every nation wants their way and their culture and everything to predominate because they think that’s the best one. And because of that basic selfish nature people clash with each with each other and so for the first time it began to make sense. I thought “Oh that makes sense that’s why there’s wars and we clash and things like that because people are basically selfish. And so I began to understand what sin was for the first time and I began to make sense. And then he explained how the Lord had come into his life and set him free from a life of drug addiction and peer pressure and growing up in very high circles. Which I did as well in South Africa because my father was a very successful businessman so growing up under that pressure of can I make it can I follow in my Dad’s footsteps and all of that kind of thing. And his Dad being high in Washington he’d gone through the same kind of thing. And then he’d gotten saved and set free and filled with the Holy Spirit and he knew that his identity was in the Messiah in Yeshua in Jesus. And so he was secure now in his identity. And so that’s when it made a strong impression on me and began to make sense.
Sid: Now did you know that Jesus was Jewish?
Geoff: No I didn’t I thought maybe He was a Catholic or He was like one of those priests that wear those giant hats that are about 3 feet high or something like that.
Sid: When did you find out that Jesus was Jewish?
Geoff: Well Frank began to talk to me well this happened to Jesus in Jerusalem and that happened to Jesus in Jerusalem and all of the various things that happened to Jesus and how they bought monuments where Jesus was supposed to have wept. And another church where you know He stopped and looked at someone and He was kind of cynical about you know building a church everywhere that Jesus was supposed to done something. And it wasn’t that that struck me but I thought why are you talking about Jesus in Jerusalem what was He doing there?
Geoff: And so for the first time I began to think you mean Jesus might be Jewish? I mean if He’s Jewish why did these people who call themselves Christians hate the Jews it didn’t make any sense to me. So I presumed of course that He can’t be Jewish because then non-Jews couldn’t possibly hate the Jews if He was Jewish then they would love the Jews automatically. So that’s why it kind of confused me. And I thought if He really is Jewish then you know this something I really have to look into.
Sid: Well you not only looked into it you had an encounter at the Jaffa Gate where I’ve been many times in Jerusalem.
Sid: Tell me the circumstances.
Geoff: Well basically after maybe a few days after Frank had shared with us and had been kind of a clash between him and some of the people that didn’t believe in the Lord I had planned to go to Jerusalem. And so what happened was when I went to Jerusalem is go to the Arab market or the shuck was the call it and you get really good bargains there. And I was with a friend of mine that was traveling with me a friend of mine from Zimbabwe and as we walked into the Jaffa Gate on your immediate left there is the Arab market you probably remember this there is long passage way whatever you call it a market on either side.
Geoff: And we were just beginning to walk towards the market when all of a sudden Jesus appeared to me as real as this television is or my house is or as real as you are on the other side but even more so. Jesus appeared he was standing about 20 feet away from me…
Sid: How did He look?
Geoff: Well he was dressed as He was 2000 years ago so He was wearing a robe but really the most striking thing more than anything else was His eyes. And people say “Well how did you know it was Jesus?” Well basically that’s my thing well how do you know that you saw God? I was looking at eternity and eternity was looking at me and when He looked at me it was incredible it was like He knew everything about me because right through me I was looking at eternity past and eternity future and yet He totally accepted me and loved me unconditionally and He spoke a word to me without opening his mouth and there’s no way for me to explain that its just what happened. And that one word was Hineini which means “Here am I in Hebrew.”
Sid: Hold that thought Mishpochah we’re going to pick up right here tomorrow….
Sid: I’ve got a Jewish man that’s red hot for the Messiah we find out that he was born in Odessa, Ukraine in 1950 to Jewish parents. He didn’t know much about Judaism it was at that time very difficult to be a practicing Jew. He was raised as an atheist. He left the Soviet Union although he was a great Star there in the Moscow Circus and come to the United States and with $150 he borrowed from the Jewish Community he started a business of acro-gymnastics one of the first in the United States and he won a National Championship himself and he had all of the money he needed but there was something missing. He got into drugs got out of control messed up his life spent money like it was water and you know once you’re hooked on cocaine. He even saw Jimmy Swaggert on television and said a prayer of salvation and something happened but he continued with his life of drugs. He went to Las Vegas with another Russian friend and things began to close in and you were I guess in a hotel room your friend was there and you cried out what did you cry out Igor Ashkinaszi?
Igor: That was just it was 4:00 in the morning I came extremely disappointed with myself me and my friend we walked into the same room he fell in his bed I fell my bed, he fell asleep immediately but I just could not sleep. My whole heart was just tormented and I said “What have I come to and my life has turned out to be absolutely nothing.” And I realized that there’s nothing to life. My friend was still struggling and my Russian Jewish friend was supposed to make it here you know to get some help he thought he was looking about $30,000 a year at that time. I was making just 6 months ago over $150,000 a year just cash you know, but now I was on drugs of course and discouraged and disappointed. In my heart I laid down and I cried “If there is God He alone can help me I don’t want to live in this body I don’t want to live in this situation I don’t know what to do I lived in communism, I lived in capitalism I was an athlete no body now I was poor I was rich and I don’t know what is the life? What do I belong to is there a God please God help me” and just at that moment my heart was so open and so broken I cannot describe to you my whole being was just I couldn’t even feel myself it was like I didn’t exist just my heart spoke. And suddenly I heard a voice, it was dark it was 4:00 in the morning Vegas windows was completely covered with those heavy curtains and you never know time in Vegas there was no clocks it was dark. But it was 4:00 in the morning I looked at the watch when I came and lay in bed. And suddenly I hear a voice “Igor.” I thought my friend called me Igor but he was sleeping he was snoring in fact at that moment I was gripped with fear I thought I cracked up completely. And I thought to myself “I don’t hear that voice it just seemed to me.” And then I hear it again “Igor I am your God.” And at that point I thought “That’s it I’m absolutely crazy now I know that I’m crazy because there is no God.” But He said “How can you think this you just called to Me and I answered you.” And truly I remember I did call Him God to help me and I said “And I said “No it can’t happen.” But I heard the voice outside of me and inside of me at the same time. It was a strong powerful voice so strong it was like a thunder and yet it was so gentle it was like my mother and father blended both together. I couldn’t deny there was a supernatural voice I’d never heard it could be in my mind it couldn’t be anything else. But it could be something else and I said to myself “But God. no God doesn’t exist.” And He answered on my thought “But I Am.” And at that moment for some reason I don’t know why I ask Him loud it was strange when I asked loud “Um, um, um are You talking to me like You talked to Moses?” Why I said it I have no idea the only time I heard about Moses was my grandmother one time told me when I was about Moses. And I said “Are You talking to me like You’re talking to Moses?” Surprised that I said it loudly and He laughed.” And that was the first time I heard God laughing and He said “Almost.” And now I think He said it because he didn’t want to hurt me but that was the question again I said loudly “But I know that You don’t exist” and this time He repeated strongly again. “But I Am what are you going to do with Me I Am?” That’s how he said to me at this point I felt in my heart I actually know that I talked to God I actually believed that God exist and the moment I knew in my heart I believed that God is the light broke through like the ceiling disappeared a brilliantly bright light with a silver light with gold streams like a veil with a golden rays in it I couldn’t even look at it. And it was not a light it was just a presence of God. And out of this light He said “Igor because you believe I am going to touch you now and you will never stop talking about Me.” And the light began to go down and it began to expand and descend on me. And where I was there was darkness but where the light was there was light and I could see that light and darkness in the middle. And as the light was moving upon me I begin to see my entire life in a whole but God knew everything about my life. I began to feel so bad about myself. Like I was repenting in my heart because I was in a meeting with God I was about to meet God face to face that was like I felt, I felt dirty I felt bad my whole life like a television video tape passed by me my whole…when I said something to somebody but meant something else. When I smiled but hated when loved I mean when I was double-hearted when people didn’t know what I meant but God knew always my heart and I felt bad. And at this moment the light….a hand came out of the light a human hand. Now I cannot tell whether a human hand came out of the light or light transformed into a human hand. I cannot remember I try to remember I always wanted to say it was a scarred hand but I don’t remember scars I just remember it was a hand and He touch me He touched my right shoulder. I just read recently Benny Hinn’s book “He Touched Me.” And I felt my God You actually touched me and the moment He touched me I died, I felt like I died, I died. And at the same time I was dying I felt death, I felt I was stiffening I was dying but suddenly at the same time another life starting pouring inside of me. Light life excuse me life full of joy, full of exaltation and the marrow of my bones began to sing and I’m not exaggerating I felt the music of heaven in my bones. I was filled with so much love and so much joy that I wanted to bring that same joy to my best friend and my worst enemy.
Sid: But then you asked God a question a very strange question you asked Him is Jesus Your Son?
Igor: At that moment first I jump to my feet and my heart began to shout actually God is Jesus is God I didn’t know why my heart was saying that shouting this. And so I screamed from the top of my lungs “God is, Jesus is God.” But then I stopped and I stopped and I said “Jesus.” How could I say this? And I asked and I look up again to this wonderful light I was basking in it and I said “God is Jesus Your Son?” And He said to me very gently not like He’d spoken to me before no with a strong voice but you almost could miss it if you weren’t spiritually so aware and so spiritually alive at that moment. He just said simply (softly) “Yes.” But when He said it was so dear to Him this question was so important so dear to Him this revelation is so special to Him He just said (softly) “Yes.” And when He said Yes that Yes just stuck to my heart until this day I just know that I know that I know that Jesus is the Son of God! I just knew that this is that same Jesus Yeshua that is the Savior I just knew that. And He said to me at that moment “You will never die you will be with me forever.” Oh the joy that flooded my soul I shouted from the top of my lungs again “God is Jesus! Jesus is God!” My friend jumped to his feet saw me at that state and that condition naturally he thought that I lost it.
Sid: Let me ask you a practical question “What about your smoking, your drinkings, your cocaine addiction?
Igor: That moment it disappeared!
Sid: Oh we’re out of time…
Sid: I’m speaking to Igor Ashkinaszi at his home in Brooklyn, New York. He was born in Odessa, Ukraine in 1950. In 1975 after becoming a star with the Muska Circus after winning championships in Odessa for acro-gymnastics he finally got out it wasn’t easy he went through all sorts of humiliation. At that time it was very difficult for a Jewish person to go to Israel. He actually stopped off in Vienna he stayed there for a few months and instead of going to Israel his mother and grandparents went to the United States. He didn’t speak any English he got kicked out of his first job I guess because he didn’t speak any English as a busboy. He finally got a job in New Orleans as an instructor in gymnastics but then with $150 you started the all American dream didn’t you Igor?
Igor: Yes I was looking at the Jewish Community Center and so then when my concert was over they asked if they could loan me $150 and with that I just bought paper, envelopes and a letter and it was sent I don’t know 500 people. And I started my first gymnastic school, acro-gymnastic school which became very popular very well to do. The school became…won first place in the nation, in fact 5 years in a row. I myself began to perform to brought myself back into shape to perform rather l United States National Championship. In fact 4 years in the row was appointed to be a United States National 1st honorary United States National Coach.
Sid: How well were you doing financially?
Igor: Financially in the beginning of course I started as a busboy and quickly was able to acquire a good some of money it was I had the school and had a lot of students. And enjoyed a very serious popularity in New Orleans everybody knew us everybody family wanted to be part because they started in school they wanted their child to take part in school. We had big shows every year.
Sid: I mean everything is going good why in the world would you try cocaine?
Igor: Well that’s that is that’s what we come to when we get everything we want in life. That’s what I always wanted to be I wanted to become an American I wanted to be accepted here in the country and I was in New Orleans it’s a very social city and the cities divided by social groups and I was able to break through those social groups and was accepted as a New Orleanian as an American. Many people came into me I received a lot of money I received everything all of the pleasures of the world. I’d say that somebody wanted to investigate I did and but it didn’t satisfy me. I asked myself “You have everything you wanted again an athlete of recognition of 1st place performing Johnny Carson, Mike Douglas, Merv Griffin Shows, I had my own show at the Superdome in New Orleans. And you know just making a lot of money having everything I’ve ever wanted but something was missing in my heart something was empty in my heart and I asked myself “What haven’t you yet tried.” And did one thing I didn’t try was drugs I never did drugs I drank I smoked like all Russians did, but I never had drugs. And a friend of mine had given me a drug simple marijuana and I tried it and very quickly I became addicted all kinds of drugs including cocaine, hallucination drugs, LSD at the time. I’m talking about 20 years ago I’m talking about more than 20 years and it was much easier to get and the fact that I had money now cash I had no property, I have no family I was by myself only me and my parents. My mother had already had a job at the New Orleans Dental School she is a dentist by a profession. So we were really established and I was using and began spending money on drugs and money began to go right through my hands until I couldn’t quit. I absolutely couldn’t quit. And so it caused me a great embarrassment because I couldn’t quit I couldn’t work I couldn’t continue to work. So I left New Orleans and went to Los Angeles to live away from everybody and everything hoping that something would change something would break for me I would leave my environment. My business was left to my assistant and there it was left to my family I never returned to it. I don’t know what happened to it I don’t know what happened to it I took my cash and went to Los Angeles where it became worse and worse and worse until I fell into the deepest depression that I’ve ever experienced. I didn’t want to live anymore I was embarrassed ashamed and I could not break from it. And even if I would break from myself where would I go the place that I started that caused me to begin to use drugs because of the emptiness of my heart? And then I experienced what is the life? I came to this country to work hard to achieve some success and I had but what is to life I had it and it didn’t satisfy me what was the reason for life? And just about that time I met a German man that Bob York was in Los Angeles he was a big man in Hollywood and I respected him and he’s the first one that shared the gospel with me. I did not like Germans ever since my parents were Holocaust survivors and some relatives died in the Holocaust and I didn’t like Germans at all and neither did my family. But he showed me he first shared the gospel with me but he did not call me to Jesus he just simply told me about Jesus about the Jewishness of Jesus which I thought he was just joking of course. But he was a very nice man and he showed the great love toward Jewish people and that surprised me. And it caused me to think “Why does he really feel like he does love Jewish people?” And after that I had a television experience when I was a little bit drunk and sick and sat on my bed and tried to get away from that feeling of sickness and nauseation I turned television on it was 4:00 in the morning in Los Angeles and guess who was there a preacher was on television pointing his finger towards me literally saying “You are in bed drunk and sick.” Now I did not know who that preacher was and I would never I didn’t even know that it was a Christian program. I thought he just found me exactly where I was I was in bed sitting in bed drunk and was sick to my stomach. And caused me to listen to that program and he said that you “No one can help you you cannot help yourself.” And I could identify with that “Your parents cannot help you because you never even told them” and it was me again. And then “Your friends cannot help you because they are just like you.” And I felt that exactly felt same way truly were exactly like me. “But I know somebody who can help you.” But when I heard somebody I thought it was a doctor I pulled out a pen and wanted to write a name of a guy that was how absolute even I was at that point. And then I don’t remember a word he said until this day I was just waiting for the guys name but the next thing I remember he was crying and begging something people for something I don’t know what it was. And he said “Repeat after me” and I repeated after him the sinner’s prayer on television. I don’t remember what I said I just remember “Repeat after me” and I remember I was looking for a guy somebody to help…it was Jimmy Swaggert actually and I didn’t know at that point and I just repeated the prayer it was 1982… oh 1981 and there was when I finished the prayer the tears started coming out of my eyes and I was surprised that it happened but I was glad that nobody was because I was embarrassed I was actually crying I didn’t know why I was crying. I switched television very quickly.
Sid: Was it unusual for you to cry?
Igor: That’s what I’m coming to yes. Yeah I never really cried unless somebody hit me in the nose I was embarrassed to cry I didn’t like to cry it would show certain weaknesses I felt. And suddenly I was crying real literally crying my eyes…and I found myself crying and I did not want to remember this experience. I just blotted it out of my mind and I said “It cannot happen I’m crying and it’s no good.”
Sid: Did you stay on drugs?
Igor: Huh? Yes nothing changed for 4 more months not a thing, but then 4 months later a friend of mine asked me to go with him to gamble in Vegas. And I thought well that would kind of keep my mind away from everything you know from the culture I was in from the group of people that I was with. A friend of mine who a group of people who I grew up together with from Russia and he said “Let’s go to Las Vegas. And we went to gamble in Vegas I didn’t gamble much money we just simply moseyed around and you know just I felt my time…In Las Vegas I began to feel that I’m totally wasted completely my life is wasted.
Sid: Igor our time is up we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. Mishpochah you’re going to find out he got something in Las Vegas he never ever expected.
SID: You know, when I was a fairly new Jewish believer in the Messiah I didn’t know a whole lot. In fact, I did a national television show with a woman by the name of Kathryn Kuhlman and I hadn’t even read the New Testament. But I got, because it was so unusual for Jewish people to be believers in Jesus at that time that’s why I got that kind of acclaim. But I had a friend and I still have him today, he’s another Jewish believer. Some of you might have heard of him. He has a television show. His name is Rabbi Jonathan Bernis and Jonathan and I used to spend days praying in supernatural languages, praying in tongues, fasting. We had no idea what we were doing for lots of reasons, but I know today what we were doing. The organization I have today, two television networks throughout the world, I prayed that into existence by praying in supernatural languages and I didn’t even know what I was doing. And Jonathan did the same thing. He has an international organization all over the world and we birthed it by praying in supernatural languages. One day I got a phone call from Jonathan and he said, “Sid, God has told me to go to the former Soviet Union. The doors have just been opened.” And I said, “Boy, what a great idea.” And he said, “Let’s do a Jewish music festival.” Jews weren’t even allowed to live like Jews at that time, in the former Soviet Union. “And we’ll evangelize.” I said, “Sounds good.” So he invited me to be one of the speakers. Let me tell you what it was like then. You had to stand in line for groceries. The hotel rooms were so filthy and so filled with lice and mosquitoes, and things, that a lot of people, they couldn’t stay in a hotel room, so they moved their bed into the hallways. Glass in the borscht, in the soup. I mean, these were tough days. But Jonathan and I were involved in history. We saw, we rented an auditorium and we didn’t know if anyone would show up. It was jammed packed with Jewish people, standing room only. And then I’ve never seen this in my life, when we gave an invitation the Jewish people did not sheepishly come forward, they ran to come to know God. Anyone want to see actual video footage of that event?
SID: If you do not know God.
SID: This is your night in St. Petersburg.
SID: I’m going to pray a prayer for you.
SID: Right now.
SID: And you will know God.
SID: Not just know about him.
SID: And you will know his son.
SID: The Messiah of Israel.
SID: Get out of your seats right now in the balcony.
SID: And come quickly up to the altar now.
SID: And I will pray for you.
SID: Quickly. Quickly, quickly. Show God how much you love him.
SID: If you do not know God, you must come here!
SID: I command you in the name of the Living God!
SID: Quickly! Run down here. Run to God because God is running to you. I say run to the Living God now!
SID: Quickly! We’re going to pray. Quickly!
SID: Repeat after me.
SID: I believe that Jesus died.
SID: Was buried.
SID: And rose from the dead.
SID: His precious blood.
SID: Washed away all of my sins.
SID: I ask Jesus to come and live inside of me.
SID: I make Jesus my Lord.
SID: I am not ashamed of the Good News.
SID: Thank you.
SID: As unbelievable as that was I can tell you that even as I see it now it literally brings all those emotions back. But the doors closed, but I have good news. The doors are just open. When I come back we’ll tell you about it.
SID: So Ana, you’re just minding your own business and you look out, and you see floating in the air someone’s spinal cord. Explain that.
ANA: I was doing healing ministry and I saw this angel one time, walking, carrying a spinal cord. My dad is a chiropractor, so I know what a spinal cord looks like. And he had been carrying this spinal cord, and I thought, I want to follow that angel. So I said to my team, “Let’s go follow that angel. I think God is on something. He’s up to something.” So we followed the angel. Went to this lady who was sitting there, she was in a wheelchair, and we came to her and we said, “Hey, we’ve got great news. There is an angel here holding a spinal cord, standing right behind you. Can we pray for you?” So we went, we laid hands on her, she got healed.
SID: How long had she suffered?
ANA: Like more than 20 years. She had partial paralyzation in her body. There was an auto accident that happened, so she had to have a spinal, like it hit her neck, so it had partially paralyzed the left side of her body. And so as we prayed I could see the angels, like it was almost like transposing, I could see the spinal cord in his hand being placed over her spinal cord. And then I said, “Okay, let’s have you test it out. How do you feel?” And she said, she looked at me kind of reluctantly, like she’s been, you got to be kidding me, who are you to have me to do this stuff? “Just try. Come on, let’s just try.” She stood up and she’s like, I’ve been healed! I’ve been healed!
Woman: I’m healed! I’m healed! Thank you, Lord!
SID: Speaking of being healed, is God telling you about anyone being healed right now? Speak it out.
ANA: Yes. I just feel like that as I’ve been talking about spinal cords, there’s someone here who is listening to this, who needs their back healed. You’ve had an injury that’s been ongoing for years. You’ve probably gone to seek many help, much help from different doctors, and it just hasn’t released. And you’ve got, it’s like a pinched nerve that just shoots pain down your back. And the Lord is healing you right now. Even in this moment, the Lord is healing you and wants you completely set free. So in Jesus’ name, I just declare healing for your spine, from head to toe, that that pinched nerve will be completely healed right now. Thank you, Father.
SID: And get up and bend over. You’ll walk right into your healing. Now Ana, you had an image appear when you were preparing for this television show. Tell me about that image.
ANA: Yes. So the Lord took me up to Heaven and I was seated with Jesus up above in Heaven, and I could see myself with him. And we looked down, and he said, “Ana, extend your hand. Extend your hand.” And so I said, okay. So I reached my hand down and I could see people grabbing my hand, and I would just pull them up with me. I would just pull them up into Heaven. And so that’s what I love to do, is just train people, and I’m excited for people to get these encounters, too.
SID: I volunteer. How about you, anyone at home do what I’m doing? I mean, faith without corresponding action is dead. Would you pray for me and for everyone else right now.
ANA: Yes. In Jesus’ name, I just, God, we just love you. We love, this is all about you, God. We want to encounter you. We want intimacy with you, Jesus. It’s not about having a supernatural encounter just for a crazy experience, but God, it’s about getting to know you and having intimacy with you. So Father, right now, I just pray for just the ability to see in the Spirit just to be released right now to everyone in this room, to everyone that’s watching this or hearing this message, that you would be able to open, God, you would open all of our senses that we could see you with clarity, see your angels, see the heavenly things with clarity, Father. Come with your presence, God.
SID: When she talks about the love of Jesus, which she experienced in Heaven, people get healed. Get ready. Tell me about the love of Jesus from Heaven.
ANA: One day God, I had a real hard day with my daughter. And I said, Lord, would you just take me to Heaven, please. I need an encounter with you, God. So he took me to a room and God, sometimes it’s like the Lord will go with me in a room and then other times he won’t. So this room, I stood outside the door and I was with God, and I said, “Are you going in with me?” And he said no. And so I put my hand on the doorknob, and when I put my hand on the doorknob, the presence of God was so strong. Sometimes I’m allowed to go in the rooms and sometimes I’m not, and I can just see what’s on the other side of the door, and that was one of these encounters. The power of God was so strong, I could not go in the room, but I could see what was on the other side. So he showed me, and I saw, I could see Jesus on the cross. I don’t have the theology to explain that. I’m just telling you, Sid, what I saw. I could see him on the cross and it was the most beautiful, horrific sight I’ve ever seen because I could see him in his broken state with all the blood, with all the wounds, everything, his flesh torn back, I could see it. I turned to God and I said, “I want to go in there. I want to go in there with Jesus. Why can’t I go in?” And he said, “Ana, you don’t know my love.” And I got offended. I said, “What do you mean, I don’t know your love. This is Christianity 101. I know that you love me and I love you. What do you mean?” He said, “You don’t know my love like that.” And I was undone by that. At that point, I just let go and I just crumpled on the floor, and I was just crying and crying, and crying because it’s like I just realized how much of the Father’s love I still had yet to really understand and experience. And then Jesus then, after some time I cried and cried, and cried, Jesus came to me. He came and it was like he was off the cross. His body was healed in his glorified state. He came and he picked me up, and he held me, and he just rocked me back and forth, you know, like you rock your children, he just rocked me. And he said, “Ana, you don’t have to stay like this any longer.” And then out of nowhere I started laughing. I mean, it’s like, why would I laugh. I started laughing and he said, “There you go. There you go. In my presence there’s fullness of joy.” And I felt the joy of the Lord just being released. I mean, I felt so much joy in that moment and so much freedom. And so that’s the love of the Father. That’s the best.
SID: I pray that you have experiential knowledge of Jesus, that you have your own experience and experience the pure undefiled, holy love of the Father.
SID: Ana, how did you start developing this seer gift?
ANA: So when I was 22 and I started seeing, the Lord taught me some things to train in it. I would be very intentional. I’m very intentional every day to spend at least ten minutes a day, and now it’s more than that. But at first, ten minutes a day, and to ask the Lord to encounter me with just my senses, and I would pray always, Lord, open my senses to experience you. I would shut my eyes. The Lord would start showing me a picture. I would ask the Lord, show me a picture, either the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, whoever, to encounter me. Because sometimes the Lord would encounter me as God the Father or sometimes Jesus, or sometimes Holy Spirit would come, but encounter me. And I would see a picture, whether it be just, it started like footsteps. I’d just see footsteps and that was it. And then I’d say, and that was it, footsteps. Okay, what do I do with that. So I would write it down in my journal, and then I’d say, okay God, take me back there. The Lord would show me more. Next time it would be like I would be walking following the footsteps, and the next time I would feel the grass under my feet, and then the next time I’d smell the grass. So seers use all of their senses. It’s not just about sight. We can taste, we can hear, and then every time I would ask for more and more, and more, until it became going to Heaven and I’d get to experience and walk in Heaven with the Lord, and see things. And I’d always ask, can I come back, God, take me back.
SID: I asked you on the telephone, what was one of the most profound things that you observed when you were in Heaven, and you came right out with it: his eyes. Tell me about that.
ANA: There is nothing like the Father’s eyes. He’s taken me to Heaven and there’s times where I’ve gotten to just look right into his eyes and they’re alive. There’s so much, it’s so hard to describe what God’s eyes are like, but it’s like the sovereignty and power, and authority come through his eyes. You could see fire, but at the same time, they’re warm and gentle, and full of so much love. It’s like he would look at me, and all in my impurities, who am I, little Ana. But he would just look at me and just the amount of love that would come through those eyes, there’s just nothing like it.
SID: You pray for people often to be healed. Tell me about this woman that you must have had tremendous compassion for, 17 years of chronic pain and a lot of other stuff. What happened?
ANA: Recently, a lady came in to our healing rooms and she had 17 years of issues going on in her body, pain and autoimmune system problems, and chronic fatigue, and doctors just couldn’t pinpoint it, what was going on. They’d run her through test after test. So she comes in and she starts telling us her story, and on her body, as a seer, I could see. So on her body I could see little holes, looked like little wounds, and I could see them oozing. And so I said, “Would you mind if we could pray for any emotional wounds. I just feel that’s where the enemy might have his hand. He might be working over you, and that’s why maybe you’re sick. Is there anything going on?” And then our team got a bunch of words they heard from the Lord about certain things. And as we prayed for those she got healed. She got healed. As she got healed emotionally, we could see sickness come off of her. But as we prayed, one by one, one thing just melted off of her, and she got healed. It was amazing.
SID: Now when you got to Heaven, many times you’re taken to specific rooms. My producer said be sure to ask Ana about the mailer room. What is that?
ANA: I love the mailer room. One day God took me to Heaven and I walked into this room, and I could see, as far as my eyes, I could see shelves and I could see these little packages on the shelves, and it was like as high up as I could see and as far as I could see. And I could see angels, and it was a busy room. There’s just angels bustling all about the room and I could the Lord. I could see Jesus right in the center of the room, and I could see these angels go and look, and take a package, and tuck it in there, and then go [whoosh] down. And they get their instructions from Jesus. And then certain angels weren’t moving though, and like some of them were just standing still at the shelves and waiting. I asked Jesus, “What’s going on here in this room?” And he said, “These are my messengers and they’re bringing answers to my saint’s prayers and these ones are waiting for the prayers to be released.” So they’re waiting for people to pray and they are just waiting to bring that answer.
SID: So it’s a two-way relationship.
SID: The angels respond to us asking. If we don’t ask, we don’t get. Sounds like Scripture.
ANA: Yes. It’s, my whole idea of that has been changed since that moment.
SID: Okay, this is what I know. There are some angels with packages from Heaven and they want to deliver it to you. You ask and you shall receive. We’ll be right back.
SID: I have Joan Gieson here and many of you might recognize her. If you’ve ever seen Benny Hinn on television and you’ve seen a woman with a microphone and she says, “Pastor Benny, this person has just been healed of this!” That’s Joan Gieson. But there’s something you don’t know. She is affectionately called the Miracle Woman. She walks around and sees the presence of God on someone and knows a miracle is ready to take place. Joan, it’s hard to believe, but there was a point, you have two small children, you’re married and all of a sudden you’re blind and all of a sudden the doctors say you’re not going to live, you’re going to die. Tell me about that time.
JOAN G: That makes me cry when you even say that, and it’s been so long ago. We got married, an Italian with a big wedding. It was a perfect wedding and it was a little bit later that I conceived of our first child, and he was born and he was beautiful. We named him Michael and he was the apple of our eye, and he was good, and he grew up a little bit. He was about two years old and one day I stooped over to pick up something he had dropped and when I straightened back up I couldn’t see. I had gone blind. Well literally it scared the bajiggers out of me.
SID: I’m sure.
JOAN G: Within the next two weeks I saw probably 15 doctors and they found hemorrhages behind both eyes and the optic nerve was swollen into the brain. And they didn’t know what the cause was, what would happen, how it would work, but the rest of my body is deteriorating while all that is happening. One day I am a productive wife and a mother and the next day I can’t see and can’t do the housework. Four years it went like that. Four years and now it was time for Michael to go to school. First day in school he helped me on the bus and I sat outside the room of the school, the room that he went in, in the hall. The teacher came out in the room that Michael was in and said, “Joan, Michael is sick. You’re going to have to take him home.” I said, “Judy, I don’t see. I don’t drive. I can’t do that.” And with that the lady that I had seen in my spirit was at my side and said, “I heard what you said. I’ll be glad to take you home.” On the way home that lady led me to Jesus and it was the first time.
SID: You get born again and you only know the term because she uses it.
JOAN G: That’s exactly right.
SID: And you tell your husband. He thinks you’re a little, I’ll use a Hebrew word even though you’re Italian, he thinks you’re a bisha meshuga, a little crazy.
JOAN G: In Italian it’s basa.
SID: Same thing. Okay. And you heard a voice. What did that voice say on the radio?
JOAN G: Well that was a few days later. I’m sitting at the table and I’m waiting for my Michael to come home on the bus. And all of a sudden I hear this voice say, “Hello there. Have you been waiting for me?” Well that wasn’t a Lutheran voice. It scared the bajiggers out of me. I quickly turned the radio off. Second day I heard the same voice: “Hello there.” Boy, I turned that thing off. And the third day I didn’t hear that. I heard a woman say, “I was so ill the doctors said I was going to die and all I did was lift my hands and God healed me in that service.” Well I listened until the program. It said, “This is coming to you from the Kathryn Kuhlman Foundation in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I called Frank and I said, “Frank, get home. Jesus right now is in Pittsburgh healing people!”
SID: Don’t say that when I’m drinking.
JOAN G: Well I did. I did. Well the courtyard of that First Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania was full. When the doors opened everyone just pushed us. We weren’t accustomed to anything like that. Nobody ever sat on the front seat of our Lutheran church. Nobody sat on the middle seat.
SID: No one wanted to.
JOAN G: No. And now they’re pushing us in. And we get in and we sit there, and I’m seeing Frank. “Frank, there’s a light on my head. Tell them turn off the light.” Oh my gosh.
SID: You’re blind.
JOAN G: I’m blind.
SID: You see light on your head.
JOAN G: I am lit up like a Christmas tree. I can feel that. “Frank, there’s a light on my head.” “No honey, open your eyes. There’s no light on your head.” “Frank, tell them to turn the light off.” “Please Joan, you’re scaring me. There is no light on your head.” And when I opened my eyes, sir, I could see all the way to the altar. I could see the stained glass windows. I could see the multitude of people and I was in the 53rd row and I could see everything. I said, “Frank, I could see!” He said, “No you can’t.” I said, “What?” I mean, we’re totally displaced. We knew nothing of this territory. “Frank, I can. I can see!” “No you can’t. Stop it, Joan.” And I said, “Frank, I can see that you’ve got a blue shirt on. You’ve got a grey…” “You can see.” “Yes. This is what we’ve come for.” And on the way home in the car I said, “Frank, I am going to go home and get every sick person I know. We’re going to charter a bus or a truck, or a car, or how many ever come with us and we’re going to take them to another miracle service.”
SID: How many years did you assist Miss Kuhlman?
JOAN G: Nine and half years until the day she went home to be with Jesus. And Gene Martin, which was her manager, called us and said, from the hospital, he said, “I am in the hospital with Miss Kuhlman and she said, Joan, get prepared because yours is the next service that she’s going to have in St. Louis.” What a thrill.
SID: I tell you this. Your miracle is in the bank!
SID: Okay. At the set now is Dr. Clarice Fluitt. She would have died without God touching your life. What was wrong with you?
CLARICE: Had tuberculosis and I had asthma, and just about every kind of allergic condition that you could have. And I read about this woman Kathryn Kuhlman. She was going to the full Gospel meeting in Dallas. This is 1971, September. And I said to my husband, I said, “Honey, there is this woman that prays for the sick,” and I said, “it’s just amazing what happens.” He says, “Sweetheart, I don’t want to disappointment, but God doesn’t use women.” That which he feared has come upon him. But he said, “Because I love you I’ll take you.” But he says, “This is all, you know, psychological and money-making.” And he was very doubting, very dubious. But we went there. And so there’s this woman named Maggie and she passes by, and she looks at me, and she said, “The Spirit of God is on you and you’re being healed.” Well she scared me so bad. The only person that I knew that was scarier than her was Kathryn Kuhlman. She comes out and she’s got this little red fuzzy hair, and she goes, “Have you been waiting long?” I lost George wherever he was. And so she’s just doing what she’s doing. Holy Spirit! And my husband told me, he says, “I don’t want anybody that’s dramatic.” Look what he got. I mean, so when Maggie came and said, “You’re being healed,” I said, “No, there’s nothing wrong.” Not only was I sick, I was lying on top of it. I went because I was not, I was so desirous to be healed. By this time Kathryn Kuhlman said, “Oh,” she said, “there’s a woman.” And her finger looked like it went out 5000 feet long. And she says, “And she’s so stubborn. It will take a sign.” And it was like somebody zipped off my head and poured hot oil in it. And then I started doing the St. Vitus dance over here.
SID: Was that a norm for you?
CLARICE: Not for me. I was very dignified. But I lost my dignity and got my deliverance. But she calls and so Maggie comes back, and I’m sitting here doing this, and she said, “Are you going to go up and claim your healing?” And I thought well the next thing isn’t going to kill me. I’m going up. Somebody has a buzzer. I went up and Kathryn Kuhlman turned around and she looked at me, and she said, “O dear Jesus.” And she put both hands on me. She says, “O dear Jesus, everything I have I give it to her.” Well I had no idea what she was saying, but I did know this that some force picked me up and threw me 15 feet across the room and I landed under Dino’s piano.
SID: On the piano?
Clarice; Under it. Under it. Sweetest place in the world. While I was under there, well at the end of it my husband comes up and he says, “What happened to you?” And I said, “I don’t know.” And so it was right after that, we’re walking through the melee of people, thousands of people getting in and out, and we got on the elevator immediately after.
SID: But were you healed at that moment?
CLARICE: Instantly. Instantly. That was 1971 and I’ve never had asthma. I’ve never had, all the allergies left. Everything left. No TB, not even TB scars. They were gone. Yay, God! Yay, God!
SID: I agree. It wasn’t Kathryn Kuhlman, it was the Messiah of Israel operating through her.
CLARICE: I mean, we got on the elevator and there were about maybe 12 people on the elevator, and when I walked in everybody passed out. And my husband said, “What did you do?” And I said, “I don’t know.” So he says, “Well you have to take the stairs.” So we’re walking down the stairs and people are plop, plop, plop, plop, plop. And for six months everywhere I went, the grocery store, the drug store, any time you’d get within three feet of people they’d be slain in the Spirit. Now I didn’t know.
SID: Did your husband just keep you in a closet, locked up?
CLARICE: He said I’ve got to hide you away. Something has happened. See, we did not know. When she said everything I’m carrying has been imparted to you, Paul says, “I long to be with you that I can impart you in spiritual blessing that will equip you to the end.”
SID: You’re telling me last time you were on our television show something so supernatural, someone called you, but they couldn’t have your number. They couldn’t have your husband’s cell number. It’s not listed. How did they get to you?
CLARICE: All right, this is what happened. After being with you I had to hire somebody to answer my phone. I mean, people, they were calling from Mars.
SID: There’s an unemployment problem in America.
CLARICE: I’m telling you.
SID: Every little bit helps.
CLARICE: All over the world, I had this lady call and she was telling me that her son was dying and had a heart disease, and we would just sent out cloths and do things like that. They’d call right back within a week and said the child was completely healed. The doctor has given a complete report, very serious death sentence, and that child, but this is the humor of God. God has an incredible sense of humor and this is what happened. This woman called and she said to my secretary that was answering the phone and said, “I want to talk to that woman.” And she said, “I saw her on Sid Roth and she does miracles and I want to talk to her.” And my associate said, “She’s not available. She’s in a meeting right now.” And you talk about importunity. About 15 minutes went by and she called again. She said, “Is she out of that meeting yet?” And she said, “No, she’s not out of the meeting.” And she says, “Well you need to go get her out.” She said, “This is serious. I need her now.” So they came and they said, “There’s this woman that’s really persistent.” I said, well, I mean, we had calls everywhere, Sid, and I’m trying my best to say which ones you’re supposed to go to. So I have my office in my home and I went into a den, and I sat down, and my husband’s cell phone was sitting here next to me, and it rang, and I saw this is one of the kids. We have five children. And I picked the phone up and this woman said, “Is that you?” I said, “Yes.” I said, “How did you get this number?” And she said, “I prayed and God said call this number.” So I said, what are you going to do? I’m going to take the call. I’m going to take the call…
SID: My next guest, Joan Gieson, Joan is affectionately called the Miracle Lady because she pulls people out of wheelchairs. That’s a passion. Anyone hurting. Talk about an anointing. And you know what we’re going to have? A miracle explosion.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Welcome to miracle explosion. Why do I say miracle explosion? Because I have three people that operate in the gift of miracles and anyone by themselves would have been enough. But when you put these three together one could put a thousand to flee, but two can put 10,000 to flee. What can three people that operate in miracles do? Here’s what I know. We’re going to have more miracles than we’ve ever had in the history of our ministry. You know, I’ll tell you, this is one of the best audiences we have ever had. Are you ready for a miracle explosion? I can’t think of a better guest to have for miracle explosion than Joan Hunter. And but my staff, they’re smart, they looked up the word “explosion,” Joan, in the dictionary. Listen to this definition. Remember, it’s a miracle explosion. The dictionary defines “explosion” as the sudden, boy do I like that word, the sudden loud or violent release of energy or power that happens when something breaks loose. I tell you something is gonna break loose here. Joan, are you as convinced as me?
JOAN H: Yes.
SID: Now some people don’t know you that well. I know you well. We’ve interviewed you a number of times and I’ve interviewed your parents. And I don’t know anyone else that has had so many miracles worldwide as the Happy Hunters. But you are building on their legacy. But you told me that things are even getting stronger in the miraculous for you. For instance, tell me a few things that have happened recently.
JOAN H: Well I love praying for people with fibromyalgia. I love praying for people.
SID: There’s no cure for that. What do you mean fibromyalgia?
JOAN H: In the natural there’s no cure, but with God there is. And there’s no cure for people that have gone through hell, people that have been diagnosed with PTSD. There is no cure for bipolar schizophrenia.
SID: Do many people with fibromyalgia get healed through the power of God that you’ve witnessed with your very eyes?
JOAN H: I don’t deal with the fibromyalgia first. I deal with what opened the door to fibromyalgia.
SID: But God showed you a key that I don’t think too many people understand. The healing, that I believe, is what has stopped you from being healing already. And Joan is going to release it now.
JOAN H: And this is an incredible revelation that God has given me years ago, because when I went through the hell, my own personal hell in my life and I had to deal with divorce, breast cancer, financial ruins and the whole bit, really all the same week, that and then I go and I get diagnosed with breast cancer, and I’m like dying on the inside. You care less about the breast cancer and but I was dying on the inside, and I had to go for after God’s heart. Counselors said you’ll never get well. Everybody I went to, nobody said, nobody gave me any hope but the Word of God. And so I went in there and I said, “God, what is it in here that has triggered the breast cancer?” And so when I got my heart healed of the trauma that I had gone through, betrayal, abandonment, worry with a capital “W,” okay, and all that, when I got my heart healed the breast cancer went away. And so when I, and I teach people how to starve their sicknesses to death because this is so important. Jesus has come to heal. He’s come to heal not just your heart, not just your body, but your body, mind, soul, spirit and finances. God wants you healed. We’ve all been traumatized in some form or fashion through life, through birth, through just different situations and that stronghold can hold onto the sickness. So I’m going to pray for you to get free of any kind of trauma. And you think, it can’t be that easy. It’s 35 years ago. It can’t be that easy. Well first of all, close your mouth and say, yes it can be that easy.
SID: How can I do that with my mouth closed?
JOAN H: Yes. And so Father, right now in the name of Jesus, I send the word of healing as there are so many people watching right this moment who have been traumatized, who have had their heart hurt, who have had their bodies hurt, and they get better. They get better. They get better but not whole. Father, in the name of Jesus, remove all the trauma in their heart, all the trauma. I’m sensing even trauma to the lungs like being pushed like that, all the trauma in the chest area. And Father, right now in the name of Jesus, all the trauma in the necks, down the spine, command all of that to go, all the pain to go, all the cellular memory of it to go. And Father, I speak complete supernatural freedom. Any damage that stress has caused in their life, throughout their body, digestive system, I speak complete health and wholeness, resurrection to some of your body parts that have quit, in particular the kidneys. They’re just kind of shutting down. I speak resurrection life into those kidneys, into those hearts, the physical hearts, to rise and be brand new in Jesus’ name. Hallelujah. Glory to God. Woo-hoo!
SID: Real quick, you have a favorite scripture in teaching called Hidden Treasures of Healing.
JOAN H: I believe God for some hidden treasures, any lost whatevers: lost finances, lost ideas, lost family members, whatever, and Father bring it to me. So I get a letter in the mail and it says you don’t owe any money on your building in downtown Houston. No joke. I mean, hello, I don’t own a building in downtown Houston. So I thought, well they didn’t ask me for any money. So I sent a certified letter to find out what was going on. Come to find out my dad left me two percent in a building in downtown Houston. So when that sells I’m going to be a millionaire. Glory to God and, yes, It’s Supernatural is going to get a blessing, too.
SID: Oh good. Let me tell you about this woman that’s coming up next. Clarice was healed in a Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. A few days later, not realizing it, she goes into an elevator and everyone in the elevator falls out under the power of God. We’re going to be right back.
Sid: This week I’m featuring a special book called “The Wigglesworth Standard” based on the life and unpublished messages on Smith Wigglesworth. And a lot of people aren’t aware of it but Smith Wigglesworth had one of the greatest miracles ministries in modern times. He prayed for deaf were able to hear and cancers cured, legs and feet creatively formed all he had was stumps previously. He healed the violently insane, 14 people were raised from the dead and those are just a few of the miracles. So I want to read on the book it’s called “An Urgent Telegram” from the book “The Wigglesworth Standard.”
During the early years of Wigglesworth ministry he received a desperate telegram from a family in a town some 200 miles away pleading with him to come and pray for a young woman. Without hesitation Wigglesworth traveled the distance as quickly as possible. Upon his arrival Wigglesworth discovered that the young lady had become a raging demoniac. Her parent and husband were distraught with the situation they couldn’t even bring the baby to her for fear of harm that she might do to herself or to the infant.
The family led Wigglesworth on the staircase to the room where the young mother was on the floor being held down by 5 men. Even though she was physically very frail the evil power that controlled her was more than a match for all 5. As Wigglesworth entered the room the evil spirit possessed her snarled out of her eyes and snarled at him “We are many you can’t cast us out.” With complete calm Wigglesworth firmly stated “Jesus can greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.” “She’s ours we won’t give her up.” The demoniac voices growled repeatedly with hideously laughter.
Undaunted Wigglesworth commanded “Be quiet in the name of Jesus come out of her you foul spirits.” With a shriek and one last attempt to retain the grasp on the young woman 37 different demonic spirits came out of her giving their names as they exited. At the authority of the name of Jesus the demons had to relinquish their territory and the woman was totally delivered.
The fragile exhausted wife was tenderly bathed and put to bed by her very grateful husband. She slept for 14 hours while her family rejoiced at the power and love of a loving God. The next morning a beautiful young lady nursed the baby and then joined her husband then Wigglesworth in celebration at what the Lord had done. As they ate together they gave thanks that the Lord had spared no expense to send his servant Smith Wigglesworth on such an errand of mercy.
And I’m reading from the book “Wigglesworth Standard” which is based on 37 unpublished manuscripts the life of Wigglesworth in the author Peter Madden teaches from each of these unpublished manuscripts the principles that Wigglesworth observed to walk in the awesome power. And Wigglesworth believed that this generation that we’re living in right now would see creative miracles would see demons cast out. Would see the same works that Jesus did and even greater and I believe that this book is going to be the standard for us to learn and do and walk and do and walk as Jesus walked….the books called “The Wigglesworth Standard.” My guest this week Ira Kellman a Jewish man that is red hot for Jesus. He worked for MGM as a Junior Executive viewing 300 movies a year. He was a real jet setter, and pill popper and all different types of drugs. His career was his God and one day he’s watching Samson and Delilah and the Spirit of God literally shows up and 16 months later he has an experience with Jesus. And a few weeks after that the Holy Spirit began teaching Ira what He wanted Ira to do and He told Ira that He would be a prophet evangelist. What did you think when God told you that Ira?
Ira: I didn’t know what an evangelist was (Laughing). I never heard the word evangelist before.
Sid: Well we Jewish people that’s not common vernacular.
Ira: I know and I grew up in a Jewish Catholic neighborhood I had a lot of Catholic friends and they talked about the nuns and I talked about the rabbi’s and I never talked about the name evangelist. And prophet I didn’t really know I knew that the terminology that Moses was a prophet but I didn’t know what it really meant and I didn’t really hear from God to really prophesy I never really thought about that. But what happened to me was when I got saved God appeared to me in a vision and you know that God is all glory and I just saw you know clouds of glory and this voice spoke to my heart and said “I’ve called you to be a prophet evangelist and I’m going to send you around the world and you’re going to go before kings and queens and everywhere you go there’s going to be healings and miracles. And He told me these other things too and I said “God I know that You’re talking to me about what’s an evangelist, what’s a healing, what’s a miracle?” And I said Lord I know that You’re talking but I don’t understand it but that’s okay I asked you to lead me guide me show me I want to do what You want me to do but use me, show me, lead me, teach me.” And that was my simple prayer. You know just like my simple prayer Jehovah God if Jesus is Your Son give me this understanding this revelation. Just simple prayers you know God answers just simple prayers. And so that’s what I’ve been doing for the last you know 30 years.
Sid: Ira how did you Jewish family react?
Ira: Ah my mother went crazy I came home and said (shouting) “Monga, dad, Jesus wants to say that He loves you.”
Ira: She started yelling and screaming “Don’t talk to me about that name if you want to go live with the monks go live with the monks stop talking about Jesus!” And you know she never heard about Jesus it was just her reacting in fear of something strange. Here she knew I was on drugs, I go away about for about a year and I come home and I’m talking about Jesus. What happened to my son he went crazy on drugs or something (Laughing).
Sid: So now you’re a prophet evangelist except you’re not too sure what that is; you’re preaching to your parents they’re very unhappy over this I think they loved you better on drugs. And what happened next?
Ira: Well they understood me on drugs but just can’t with Jesus. Well you know she was always yelling and screaming every time I talked about Jesus and then I was…the Lord said to me “Go and preach in Central Park.” And I said “Okay I’ll go do it but I’m only 4 months old saved Sid.” And I said “Lord I said ‘If I needed a Bible I know these people need Bibles but I can’t buy everybody a Bible and said to me in my heart a still small voice Go to the America Bible Society.’” I went to “The America Bible Society” and they led me to different departments and the guy said “Well I just got saved and…
Sid: Ira out of curiosity had you ever heard of such a thing The America Bible Society?”
Sid: That’s what I thought.
Ira: No I’m running around New York with…go to Cinemas go to Premiers with the big lights with Movie Stars and big directors and I’m on big dinners from these people. I’m taking drugs running around with rock stars and all I can think about is music stores and movie theaters and not “The America Bible Society.”
Sid: So you went to the Society.
Ira: And the guy says to me “What do you want?” And I say I’m Jewish and God just saved me and I want to tell people about Jesus and I want to give people Bibles so I want everything you have for free I’m Jewish. And he says to me “I’ll give you anything you want and he starts giving me the 4 gospels “Good news for Man” and all of the other literature they have. And you know they had Knapsack and the shopping bags full of gospel literature. And he said “Any time you want anything I’ll give you everything for free. And that’s how I sort of started my preaching ministry.
Sid: Tell me one experience in Central Park preaching.
Ira: Well you know you have to realize I had to really pray for boldness because I’ll tell you a little story. When I was in high school I got up in front of the class and they wanted to know who you are when you start in September and what you did for the summer. And everybody’s shaking knees and knocking all over the place and I looked around at everybody and I fainted.
Sid: But you’re so bold now I don’t understand that doesn’t sound like the man I know now Ira.
Ira: Well that’s what Jesus does for you. When I was about to start you know doing what God wanted me to do and take these pockets I need boldness I need courage. I said “I need You to fill my mouth and give me wisdom and just help me.” And that’s what He does. And little did I know Sid that there is a scripture in the Bible that says open your mouth wide and I’ll fill it you know. And so I started telling people about Jesus and a lot of backsliders started coming back to the Lord and I started praying for people.
Sid: Well what did you do did you just stood on a bench and started preaching?
Sid: My goodness it’s a good thing you weren’t too educated you were doing what the Bible says to do. The more educated you get the less you do that the more sophisticated you get the less you do. That childlike faith is pretty good Ira.
Ira: We need that childlike faith. You know we have to be uninhibited for the Lord and we also have to be fools for the Lord. And I have to tell you this I used to go to Central Park with my friends and a lot of other people and we used to hang out at the fountain there right by the little lake and take drugs and LSD and pick up woman and everything. Our time in Central Park was on drugs and you know getting high on marijuana. And here it is I used to be weird and strange and now I’m peculiar and God sends you back to Central Park and as a peculiar person in Him preaching the word.
Sid: God confounds the wisdom of the wise. Did people come to the Lord?
Ira: A lot of people came to the Lord a lot of people started getting healed. People were crying…
Sid: Tell me about 1 person that got healed. How did you even know how to pray for someone?
Ira: See after I got saved I moved into a Christian commune it was a community in upstate New York and then that’s when I finally got a New Testament and they believe in healing and I was learning things there and it started learning different things.
Sid: What was the first person you prayed for that got healed?
Ira: Well you’re going to love this. I prayed for a friend of mine she had a bone blocking her breathing all of her life and I said “Let me pray for you.” And I put my finger on her nose and I felt the bone move and the breathing open.
Sid: If you were a fanatic before imagine how you were after that.
Ira: I tell you what I go “Wow Lord” and she goes “Wow I can breathe! I can breathe!” And you know before she was talking real strange and the breathing comes forth and everyone around her that knew her while she’s breathing and she’s talking right and everything is wonderful. You get so excited when God does something. And so even today I’m so big on testimonies you know to hear peoples’ testimonies on miracles or creative miracles and…
Sid: Did you ever in your wildest imagination pray for someone dead and they would come back to life?
Ira: No, no!
Sid: I’ll tell you what let’s hold that for tomorrows broadcast.