Our Guest Art Thomas
ART: So I had to weave my – all these questions, you know, what about Job? What about Paul’s thorn in the flesh? What about Jacob’s limp and all that stuff? I brought them all to the scripture and the Lord showed answers to all of Them at face value. It didn’t even take a bunch of mental gymnastics to you know fit a square peg in a round hole and make it work.
JAMIE: Right, right.
ART: And from there it took 3 months and after 3 months I was convinced.
JAMIE: Okay. So how does that, you know, today when you see someone not healed does it push you?
ART: Yeah.
JAMIE: I mean I know personally that you know when I see somebody healed I’m like excited but when I see someone not healed at the end of a meeting or at the end of my prayer and it just pushes me to seek for more. I mean how does that play out in your heart?
ART: Yeah. So there’s one place in scripture where someone tried to minister healing in Jesus’ name and it didn’t work. The story is told 3 times but 3 different Gospels but it’s only one time it happened. And that was the epileptic boy. So Jesus, Peter, James and John come down from the mountain and they find the 9 disciples and this group of teachers of the law and just ordinary folks. They’re all just arguing and you know when we have a lack of results we produce arguments.
JAMIE: Right.
ART: We start coming up with reasons why they weren’t healed. I don’t know what their reasons were, what the argument was over but I could imagine what we say. You know maybe the little boy didn’t have enough faith. Maybe the boy’s dead. Maybe it was this atmosphere of unbelief. All you people not believing it’s your fault and we pin it on everybody else. Right? And so Jesus walks into the middle of that and He says: You unbelieving and perverse generation! How long will I put up with you? Bring the boy to me.
JAMIE: Whoa!
ART: Identifying yeah, I’m in an atmosphere of unbelief. Right?
JAMIE: Right. Right.
ART: Bring the boy to me. And right there in the middle of all of it He just says come out of this boy you impure spirit!
JAMIE: Whoa.
ART: Later the disciples come and ask Him why couldn’t we do it? Because this kind only goes out by prayer and fasting. Some manuscripts say and fasting. He pins the responsibility on the disciples as ministers.
JAMIE: Wow!
ART: I don’t like that cause a lot of people I minister to don’t get healed! And I have had people die on me! People I love. Right? But I’ve realized there’s a difference between taking the responsibility and carrying the burden!
JAMIE: Phew!
ART: Like the burden belongs to Jesus so if I walked around carrying the emotional weight of people not being healed I’d of quit this – I started in August of 2009, I’d have probably quit in November! [laughs] You know?
JAMIE: Right.
ART: So that’s not mine. The burden’s not mine. But the responsibility enough to go to Jesus and say alright Jesus. If you were standing here that would have worked. Instead they got me.
JAMIE: Wow!
Our Guest John Mellor
JOHN: What’s it called? Is it arthritis or something?
WOMAN #4: I’m sure it’s some arthritis.
JOHN: How far can you raise your arms?
WOMAN #4: I can raise them.
JOHN: But it’s painful, is it?
WOMAN #4: But it’s very stiff and it’s hard to turn and it comes and goes.
JOHN: Wow.
JOHN: Do you have pain in your neck now? Right now?
WOMAN #4: I’m very stiff and it’s achy and it crunches a lot.
JOHN: And what’s your name?
WOMAN #4: Florence.
JOHN: Hah! What a lovely name! Can we pray for Florence? Phew! Phew! Set her free now in Jesus’ name! Get off that body! Out! Set Florence free right now! Phew! Hey mate, get up. Hey mate! Raise your arms! Look at that! Have you forgiven the horse!
MAN #1: Yes!
JOHN: Shooh!
MAN #1: [Laughing]
JOHN: Phew! And God’s going to keep touching you, mate! Phew! You’re a good sport! The power of God’s going to keep flowing through you! Phew! Phew! Ahh! Phew! Mate, watch out! Help this lady up here! Fellas, help her up! Excuse me! Phew! Choooh! Choooh! Choooh! Choooh! Help her up!
AUDIENCE: [Laughter]
JOHN: Hey, ma’am! Move your neck! Move your neck! How’s that?
WOMAN #4: Better! Much better!
JOHN: Isn’t it amazing??
WOMAN #4: Yes, it is!
JOHN: Try your body now. How’s that?
WOMAN #4: Yeah!
JOHN: Is it gone now?
WOMAN #4: It’s still a little creaky cracky!
JOHN: Creaky! Shoooh!
AUDIENCE: [Laughter]
JOHN: No more creaky crackies! No more creaky crackies in Jesus’ name! You know in Australia we have a cereal called “cocoa pops!” They’re cocoa pops as in snap, crackle and pop?
AUDIENCE: Yes.
JOHN: And as soon as I pray in Jesus’ name all snap, crackle and pop — choooh! Phew! Phew! Can you move your neck now, ma’am? How’s that?
WOMAN #4: Much better!
JOHN: Wow!
WOMAN #4: Yes, much better! Uh-huh!
JOHN: Isn’t it amazing?
WOMAN #4: Yes, it is!
JOHN: Isn’t God good?
WOMAN #4: Yes, He is!
JOHN: Hey, God bless you!
AUDIENCE: [Clapping]
JOHN: Let’s help this bloke up out of here. Hey mate! Choooh! Choooh! Shoooh! It that higher than before?
MAN #1: It is!
JOHN: God’s going to keep û is the pain gone?
MAN #1: The pain’s gone!
JOHN: God’s going to keep touching you, mate! That’s going to keep loosening up as you sit in your seat! As you sit in your seat! But somebody else here. That lady before you’ve got in your abdomen, man, it’s so tender and painful. Man, right now. And you know where are you? You need a miracle! You feel it right now in your abdomen. So where are you? God wants to heal that. Hey ma’am, just come out here. Yes. See in Australia we don’t call ladies “ma’am.” This is an American term so I’ve gotten used to saying “ma’am” the last few weeks.
AUDIENCE: [Laughter]
JOHN: It sounds good. Ma’am. I think it sounds good. Ma’am. Do you think it sounds good?
AUDIENCE: Yes.
JOHN: It sounds great! Hey g’day! What’s up with you?
WOMAN #5: I’m okay except sometimes I do have this pain over in left side. I did have surgery one time and the doctors say it is probably okay but I still have pain.
Our Guest Joshua Mills
SID: What about cancer? Are you seeing much victory there?
JOSHUA: You know what? I would like to see more, and we’re pressing in for that, for the more. But we have had so many amazing reports of people being healed from cancer. I was ministering down in Phoenix Arizona a few years ago and the oil began to flow from my hands and we had everybody that was in the meetings line up so that I could lay hands upon them and believe God with them for their miracle and there was a man who was suffering with terminally, terminal cancer. And I laid my hands on him and he came back with a report, about a month later a report of complete healing, he was completely cancer free. God had done a supernatural miracle in his life. And not only did he get healed of cancer but after he had received prayer that night he wanted to give his life to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and he actually accepted the Lord into his life and that’s the greatest miracle of all!
SID: I love it when non-believers receive a physical healing
JOSHUA: Right. (LAUGHING)
SID: And then it’s very easy to lead them to the Lord.
JOSHUA: Right.
SID: But guess what? That’s the way Jesus did it!
JOSHUA: Right.
SID: That’s normal. The world has to be NORMAL! It’s gotten away from normal. Read the Book! That’s normal. Anything short of that you can say God changed, except the Book says God doesn’t change. “He’s the same yesterday, today and forever.” Joshua I’m going to ask you to do something without any music. If you were by yourself and you began to think of your brand new little baby girl and all the blessings of God in your life, I want you to worship God the way you would do that right now so you kind of demonstrate for us.
JOSHUA: You know what I would do is in those times of just recognizing and thanking God for the miracles that He’s given me in my life, I just begin to just from my heart just begin to sing, just begin from my heart just releasing a song of praise and oftentimes it’s so simple anybody really could do it. But that’s the wonder of it. God isn’t looking for a complicated worship or a complicated praise. He’s just looking for that song that comes right from our heart.
[JOSHUA SINGS]
I sing Lord, I thank You for the glory and the blessings that You’ve given to me every day. Lord, I thank You for Your glory and for Your blessings that You’ve given to me. You’re a good God. And You’re an awesome God. Lord, I thank You for Your blessings. You’re a good God. You’re an awesome God. Lord, I thank You for Your blessings. Something like that.
SID: Now tell me this Joshua. Do you it’s one thing to do this publicly as you just did.
JOSHUA: Right.
SID: Do you really worship God like this?
JOSHUA: All the time, all the time! From the time I wake up to the time I go to sleep. All day long I’ve got a song in my heart!
Our Guest Joshua Mills
JOSHUA: I couldn’t. I could not. I was absolutely overcome by the Spirit of God. I was overwhelmed by God and it’s a really good thing because I came out of that encounter the next day with more of a hunger for God than I had ever had in my entire life. And I had more of a desire to be with God, spend time in His presence. And one of the overflows from that encounter was this overwhelming desire to praise and worship the Lord with everything that I had. To give my life to God in every single way. And I began sitting down at an old piano that we
SID: Now, but let me take you back.
JOSHUA: Sure.
SID: When you were really young you did what I did. You had piano lessons but
JOSHUA: I did. I did. (laughing)
SID: And they said about you what they should have said about me I just didn’t know and maybe they said it about me. What did they say about you? Huh!
JOSHUA: (laughing) My piano teacher actually told my mother she said you need to stop bringing Joshua to these lessons. You need to save your money. He will never, ever learn how to play the piano. That’s what she said.
SID: Okay. So you have this insatiable desire all of a sudden with this encounter you had with God
JOSHUA: Right.
SID: to worship God. So you sit at the piano knowing you can’t play it and what’s happening?
JOSHUA: And the Holy Spirit literally begins to teach me and instruct me. Just like the Bible says “He will teach you in all things.” And He literally began to teach me and instruct me in praise and worship and teach me how to play the piano. Teach me how to sing songs to Him. And I begin writing hundreds of songs, of praise and worship songs over the next year. Just these songs would just come.
SID: Had you written, had you ever written a song before?
JOSHUA: Oh gosh, probably as a little child I probably wrote something silly but I had never written praise and worship songs. I had never written anything that was significant like what was coming out of me at this time. Absolutely amazing.
SID: Speaking of significant, we have a bonus CD, one of Joshua Mill’s best. And what kind of feedback are you getting on people that listen to your music? And this is a soaking CD which means it’s pure music. And what kind of feedback are you getting?
JOSHUA: You know we had a teacher contact us from Auckland New Zealand who had been dealing with children in her school that were troubled and causing a lot of problems and she said she played the soaking CD in the classroom and she said it actually brought an atmosphere of peace and just, just totally changed the atmosphere completely when she began to play that CD. And the children’s behavior began to change. They became much more compatible, much more behaved, would listen a whole lot more. And she sent us an email just testifying about it and so excited and thanking us that we had created this resource that she could use to change the atmosphere in her workplace.
SID: Well it was supernatural that you played the piano. How long did it take from the time you were fiddling with the piano and realizing hey, I can play this thing! My teacher was wrong!
JOSHUA: (laughs) It was only a matter of months, I think about two or three months and I began to lead praise and worship as part of a youth band at our church and then from there you know it just accelerated and got more invitations to travel around and do that. And you know I’m still travelling today because of what God did in my life supernaturally when I was 16 years old.
Our Guest Dawna De Silva
LAURA: So this is the 21st century. This is a broad question but what is the number one hook when you see people come in. It may differ for –
DAWNA: Fear!
LAURA: A different demographic. Fear?
DAWNA: Fear!
LAURA: Always?
DAWNA: Hands down!
LAURA: Wow!
DAWNA: Because God did not give you a spirit of fear but power, love and a sound mind. And fear is number one!
LAURA: Okay. So that’s the root. What is the next immediate emotion? You know what I mean?
DAWNA: Uh-huh!
LAURA: Sometimes you’ve got to dig to find the fear. It usually manifests itself in some other way. What is that other thing usually?
DAWNA: Anger! I find that rage is, you know, and control!
LAURA: Right.
DAWNA: I find that the most controlling person you know is going to be the most fearful down inside.
LAURA: They are fearful. I agree.
DAWNA: Because they’re just like – they’re trying to arrange everything.
LAURA: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
DAWNA: So that they don’t get hurt or – yeah, fear.
LAURA: Yeah. I’ve been that person. I’ve also said that anger is a secondary emotion. Hurt – you know anger’s easier! Hurt feels too – it feels so hard to deal with. It’s painful! So it’s easier just to get mad! So I was just curious your bent on it like with all the people that you see that come through your ministry you know fear – it’s not a surprise that you answered with that. And fear is faith in the devil I heard somebody say one time, you know.
DAWNA: Yeah. Definitely.
LAURA: And so really it’s the opposite. It’s the opposite of the faith that we’re supposed to have.
DAWNA: Yeah. I heard someone else say to me that fear is the belief that something bad is going happen. Whereas faith is believing that something good is going to happen. And so I had a friend who worked as a policeman in Iraq and he said he would get up and he would flag every morning on top of the building and he said I just wouldn’t buy into fear. I was just going to say no, something good’s going to happen today.
LAURA: Wow!
DAWNA: Yeah.
LAURA: Okay. Just now I just felt like the Lord –
DAWNA: Hah! [laughs]
LAURA: Said that –
DAWNA: [laughs]
LAURA: Yeah. That there was someone when you said that word about there’s somebody who’s controlling. They try to arrange things. They did not understand about themselves that that’s fear. Would you pray them?
DAWNA: Yeah. Yeah.
LAURA: Because that was really a moment of revelation for somebody.
DAWNA: Yeah. So I would just say if that’s you if have that sense of people tell me that I’m controlling but I don’t think I am. I just like things in order that you would actually allow the Holy Spirit right now to look past that control and the need to be in order and that you would allow Him to take care of the fears. And I just break off of you the lie that God’s going to punish you. That God is looking to change what you’re doing because you’re not doing it right. And I just release you from any negative words spoken by your parents. That your mom maybe was like you should have done this better or why did you do that? We break [snapping finger sound] off a critical spirit that’s come against you that has made you fearful of failure, that has made you want to control. And your husband is going to love it if you’re a woman married and your wife will love it if you fix all this if you’re a married man!
Our Guest John & Lisa Bevere
LISA: I’ll forgive him when he brings forth some fruit worthy of repentance. Then I’ll forgive him when I have some kind of hope that this is not going to be another weekend like all the other weekends then I’ll forgive him. And the Holy Spirit said to me he cannot change unless you forgive him. And then he began to talk to me about when I come to Him and I ask for forgiveness. And I said God forgive me. I gossiped again. He doesn’t say to me You know what? You’re just going to do it again next week. Just come back when you’re really sorry, Lisa. He always says to me I believe you want to change and I forgive you. And God told me he said when your husband comes home from this weekend away rather than bringing up you did this, this, this and this but I forgive you. He said you can only say John, I believe you want to change and I forgive you. And from that time forward it was never a problem again. But it had created a fear in me and then John felt like a failure and the guilt and the shame and the condemnation he was feeling just escalated it. And you know there are some women and I mean I’m never saying a women that gets hit isn’t a victim, but I didn’t cower in a corner. I hit him back. So we were just ridiculous.
SID: You grabbed a lamp. (LAUGHING)
LISA: I grabbed a lamp and went after him. Absolutely. I did not, I did not take it laying down.
JOHN: (LAUGHING) Oh, man
SID: John, John, how did that John, how did that affect you when Lisa came with a Jesus type of attitude when you came back?
JOHN: You know I was, I was so humbled by it and so in awe of it that it made me want to change. And I mean I was like oh my gosh, she’s just, she’s, she’s not berating me. That’s the thing. We would berate each other. So I would just hone in on what she was doing wrong. She would hone in on what I would be doing wrong. And it was so freeing to me and it gave me a motivation even more so which I had already gotten when I went away and prayed that weekend, but a motivation to say gosh, I got to be her prince. I got to be her champion and you know I mean deep down in every single person you wouldn’t have married that person probably 99.9% of the time if the man didn’t want to be the champion for his wife. That’s the desire of every guy. And when Lisa started treating me with such tenderness and forgiveness, I was like it made me want to be her champion even more. Does that make sense?
SID: And, and so if that’s what the man is looking for, Lisa, what is the woman looking for?
LISA: Well I think every woman wants to know that she’s irreplaceable. Everything in our culture says to this woman you’re never going to be good enough. You’re never going to be thin enough. You’re never going to be tall enough. You’re never going to be young enough. You’re never going to be beautiful enough. There’s always going to be a competitor out there that can displace you at any given moment. And I think that’s why so many women feel so insecure in their marriage. And so one of the best things that John did for me was he built me up. It was like, okay so when we were first, you know first dating all I had was a suntan and a six-pack. Not a beer. But I actually used to be buff and muscular. So John would say things like I bet she’s going to be an amazing mother. I bet she’s going to be great with money. I bet she’ll be a great cook. And I was an idiot! I didn’t know how to do any of those things.
SID: [LAUGHS]
Our Guest Jennifer Eivaz
ROY: And it sounds like you’re saying there’s no authority without love as well?
JENNIFER: What it is is it limits you. Your heart will only fight so far.
ROY: Yeah.
JENNIFER: You know because the pain gets too great. The battle gets too heated and if you don’t know His love and His intimacy you know you’ll stop short!
ROY: Gosh that’s so important!
JENNIFER: Yeah.
ROY: Well listen, we’re going to come right back with Jennifer Eivaz and I am excited to tell you we’re going to minister to YOU!
JENNIFER: Amen!
ROY: You want to capture some of this today! Maybe you’re oppressed by something today. [music] Maybe you’re dealing with this thing. She’s going to help you through that because Jesus touched her, Jesus is going to use her to touch you! We’ll be right back right after this!
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ROY: Hey welcome back! [music ends] This is Roy Fields! Hi! And I’m with Jennifer Eivaz and we’ve been talking about how to get delivered from demonic oppression and how to be used in intercessory prayer and in the prophetic! And Jennifer you’ve been talking about you got delivered from this thing even after a Christian as we were talking through the show.
JENNIFER: Yeah! Yeah!
ROY: And then you’re now equipping and training people in the prophetic and I know for a fact there’s somebody out there watching this and they’re listening to your story and they’re thinking help me through this. What would you say to somebody right now if they’re going through what you’re going through? Cause I know there’s many!
JENNIFER: Yeah!
ROY: How would you lead them to step out of this thing that they’re dealing with?
JENNIFER: Well the first thing I would say to them and I’m actually going to minister in prayer in just a moment.
ROY: Okay.
JENNIFER: Cause I can feel it actually that there’s some people that are going to need some specific prayer. But it’s actually understanding that you’re not alone.
ROY: Yeah.
JENNIFER: And so you know I’m just going to talk to you right now that just understand that you’re not alone in what you’re dealing with! That there are many others like you who are dealing with feelings of torment. Hearing tormenting voices at night. Things in your house are shaking or moving on their own and you’re like this is crazy! I’m a Christian! I serve the Lord! This should not be happening at this stage, at this place in my life! And so first of all I want to tell you that you’re not alone but you are dealing with demonic oppression. And so I want to give you the tools right now to take authority over it and I want you to rise up in YOUR authority that YOU have in Christ and I want you to tell those things to go! I’m going to go first but then you’ll have the verbiage, you’ll have the words that you can continue on after this show is over. And so in the name of Jesus I just pray over you right now! I take authority over every demonic spirit that is tormenting you, that is keeping you awake at night, that is keeping you, keeping you in a feeling of being crazy and out of your mind.
Our Guest Karen Schatzline
KAREN: Well because it’s true. I was so insecure and so shy that it was crippling to me. But there comes a moment in my life where I had to realize that I was called to something more than just myself. And I think sometimes we get so caught up in worrying about yourself and worrying about who we are that we forget that we’re here for more than just yourself. We’re here to minister life to someone else! And I think for the viewer, for anyone that’s out there that’s listening that if you’ve just tuned in I want you to know that God loves you and that He cares for you. He cares about every detail of your life! For me, in my life, I felt like I didn’t have a voice. I felt like I didn’t have anything to offer. I felt like maybe I didn’t come from the right household. Maybe I didn’t come from the right lineage. Maybe I, you know, I didn’t have the right education. I wasn’t qualified to do anything for God. But God showed me in one moment when I looked in the mirror and He said, “You are more than what you have become.” In that moment it hit me that what I have walked through in my life, what I have experienced in my life was for more than just a temporary moment. It was so that I could go out and I could speak life to someone else! And I want you to know wherever you’re at in life, if you’re in a dry season, if you’re in a dark season, if you’re in a quiet season and you can’t hear God all you have to do the Bible says if you “draw near to God He will draw near to you.” And all you have to do is lean into His presence. Lean in and ask Him and He will show up because that’s what He’s done to me in my life is He has just walked into the room and I could feel His presence. Because God says “I want to use you to minister life!” What you have walked through is a good indication of who you are called to!
LAURA: That’s true. That is so true!
KAREN: And He will never leave you! Never forsake you! Never walk out on you. He cares that much about you that you are worth His time today!
LAURA: [chuckles] We comfort others with the comfort with which we’ve been comforted.
KAREN: Yes.
LAURA: All right. Back to your teaching.
KAREN: Yes.
LAURA: You’re a writer.
KAREN: Yes.
LAURA: And so you’ve authored multiple books.
KAREN: Uh-huh.
LAURA: And, you know, authoring with your husband even but you train others to do that!
KAREN: Yes.
LAURA: That’s what I thought was so interesting about Remnant is that you also train writers! So this isn’t just an evangelism school. Tell me a little bit about everything that you offer there and teach.
KAREN: Yes. Well my husband and I, He’s written several books and then I wrote but even when I went to write I thought, “Oh my goodness, I don’t even know where to start!”
LAURA: [laughing]
KAREN: I don’t know what to do! I’m just sitting here looking at a blank piece of paper!
LAURA: [laughing]
KAREN: And nothing’s going to happen! And so but my husband actually walked in one day and he said, “What are you doing?” And I said, “I don’t know. I don’t know where to start. And so he sat down and we got out a whiteboard and we started. He said, “Do this, this, this and this.”
LAURA: [laughing]
Our Guest Bill Hamon
BILL: Now there’s a whole new ministry or opportunity opening up for you and God says you’ve wondered what’s going on Lord? Is this change? I’ve been here I’ve been there but now the Lord says I give you that experience before you even got saved I took you into some things and praise you and now the Lord says I formed you into the man I want with the ministry I want and I’m going to open a door that no man can shut and you’re going to move into it, amen? God bless you, amen.
Audience: [Applause]
BILL: By the way, the word of the Lord for this year for me – I started getting the word of the Lord in 1988, I was the first one that ever started doing that, now everybody does it. All the prophets do. But I remember my words, I always try to make them rhyme, it goes update, relate and activate! All you married folks have to do that. How many know the man or woman you married is not the same person you married? Come on. You’re not the same. I know what that look means! No I don’t mean that anymore! I know what that tone is! But you have to update. My wife and I had to update for 59 years about every 5 years you know? Update then relate then activate. Kiss and make up and go on. Hallelujah. My wife and I made an agreement when we got married that we’d never go to sleep with an unsettled dispute or anger because we read in the Bible where it says if you go to bed angry and don’t settle it you open the door for the devil to come in during the night. So Ephesians says that so we said that we’d never go to sleep with an unsettled dispute. We saw the sun come up a few times –
Audience: [Laughter]
BILL: – but we were faithful! Amen. If you’re going to live together, why not make it a joy instead of a misery? Come on. Well I don’t have time to deal with that. But, update, relate and activate. This year is an open door that no man can shut, opportunities and advancement. So it’s an open door this year amen.
Audience: [Applause]
BILL: Now let me help you – I’m going to give you a short synopsis. I’ve written 3 books on the prophetic – and we believe in practical reality. I mean, you’re real. You don’t have to [gasp] you know. When I was on the Benny Hinn program I was talking about you don’t have to get the monkey anointing like we did in Bengali and go [hoots] you know.
Audience: [Laughter]
BILL: I like to feel good all over more than anywhere else, but when I don’t feel anything and my soul or in my body, that doesn’t stop me moving in the spirit. Moving in the spirit has nothing to do with your soul or body. I mean I’ve prophesied till 4 o’clock in the morning many times over 3 or 400 people and after you prophesy for 2 or 3 hours your body goes dead, your soul is dead, you just open up soul and body and let spirit flow. Amen. But some of you still want tingles up and down the spine or goosebumps or palpitations of the heart. That’s good to have, but you don’t have to have it. Just like if you’ve been married over 10 years you don’t get that every time you kiss your wife.
Our Guest Clarice Fluitt
KYLE: Alright. That has to do with the power of God’s spoken Word. How you kept declaring over and over and over again. [music] When we come back, Dr. Clarice is going to go further into how to activate the power of God’s Word in your life and she’s going to speak and impart into you. Stay with us.
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KYLE: Welcome back to “Something More”. I’m your host Kyle Winkler. Dr. Clarice, when we were just talking, we mentioned about how your daughter died of a heroin overdose. Then she was miraculously brought back to life, went back to prison, and then was later released because of the power of God’s spoken Word.
CLARICE: Absolutely, absolutely.
KYLE: You say that the Kingdom is voice activated.
CLARICE: Well, the Kingdom of God is a kingdom of words. Just as surely as Jesus is the Word made flesh, you and I, the redeemed, are the flesh that must be made into the Word of God because He says, “God’s Word will not return void”. There’s a DNA, a divine nature attitude. So we are word. Jesus is the ultimate word of what God had to say.
KYLE: Yes.
CLARICE: But you and I are a word from the mouth of God. So the Kingdom of God is a word that must be activated by spoken, out of the redeemed, your words become like slaves that usher forth out of Zion to do the bidding of God and what God watches over to perform is His Word.
KYLE: He performs His Word—
CLARICE: Right.
KYLE: –by us speaking it? So it’s not just—I mean reading our Bibles is great, but we’ve got to get it out of our minds and into our mouths.
CLARICE: Well, we’re made in the image and likeness of God and God did not hum us into existence. He didn’t think us into existence. He said let there be a revelation of what’s already here when He said, “Let there be light,’ because He was light. Light was already there.
KYLE: And He sustains all things by His powerful Word.
CLARICE: Right. Everything is by the Word. So, as we learn to not be moved—see facts, are not always truths. You’ve got a lot of facts—
KYLE: Explain that a little bit.
CLARICE: Okay well, I can be oppressed, suppressed, repressed, depressed or possessed.
KYLE: That might be a fact or symptom.
CLARICE: That’s a fact, but the truth is I’m healed, delivered and rich.
KYLE: Amen. So the truth is found in God’s Word and not in what you feel or what you fear or situations.
CLARICE: And the truth is what angels hearken to perform. When they recognize the Word of God, then we have superior air power immediately that comes into the Word of God bringing perfection or maturity. In our case with Julie, she had to reach the maturity. She had to have not just a doctrine, but she had to have an experience. And that’s where many people, they’re reared on the doctrines, which are good, you’re doctrine will determine your destiny, but the reality is, you must have an experience. Paul on the road to Damascus has an experience which changes him from a murdering terrorist into the one that brought the message of grace to the redeemed. It’s just incredible.